The Conservative Party

Oh right, so never at Wembley, and the Queen's birthday celebration is not combined with parades by the Army, Navy or Air force every year, as well as
numerous other military parades.
Extinction Rebellion hasn't taken over these duties just yet.

The Labour party used to sing that 'Red Flag' choon, do they still do it at conferences, or is it now seen as a tad communisty?
After Tone scrapped clause 4 it would be a bit buttock clenching though, like Jacob Rees Mogg doing Stormzy.
A EU fanatic like you must cringe at the emblems that abound, and their
not even a country FFS.
The Labour party, at inception, did not resemble what Corbyn turned it into,
patriotism was imbued, not so now, as Keir has realised, and is trying, unsuccessfully, to rectify.

Ah, the 'Unity' argument.
Construed as ''I'm fucking pissed off why people refuse to think like I do, if they did we'd be unified.''
They don't, so your version of unity is not on the table.
You are, and continue to do, apportioning all flag supporters as Tories, they're not, we keep hearing about the working class being shafted, used, taken for fools, misinformed, idiots, etc; etc; all this emanates from a large section the left. The workers hear this, they respond, and they completely reject it.
It is these working people you, once again, disparage, they are the ones who love what you hate, they don't conform, and I'm glad of that.
There may have been occasions when England didn’t sing a national anthem before sporting events because England doesn’t have a national anthem. Our nationality is British, not English. And our national anthem is the national anthem of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not England.

This might be a good read for a few:
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“The British Labour Party has at times been a force for radical change in the UK, but one critical aspect of its makeup has been consistently misunderstood and underplayed: its Britishness. Throughout the party's history, its Britishness has been an integral part of how it has done politics, acted in government and opposition, and understood the UK and its nations and regions. The People's Flag and the Union Jack is the first comprehensive account of how Labour has tried to understand Britain and Britishness and to compete in a political landscape defined by conservative notions of nation, patriotism and tradition. At a time when many of the party faithful regard national identity as a toxic subject, academics Gerry Hassan and Eric Shaw argue that Labour's Britishness and its ambiguous relationship with issues of nationalism matter more today than ever before, and will continue to matter for the foreseeable future, when the UK is in fundamental crisis. As debate rages about Brexit, and the prospect of Scottish independence remains live, this timely intervention, featuring contributions from a wealth of pioneering thinkers, offers an illuminating and perceptive insight into Labour's past, present and future.”

Blair was big on the flag, and so were the Labour supporters and voters in the late 90s:
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Mods were British iconography mad
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Britpop and Oasis were early doors
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It was everywhere in 2012 for the Olympics
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Normal people with normal moderate views really like it when the national flag and national iconography is flown and used proudly. It’s not nationalistic, it’s just patriotic. My Friday socks for work are union flag socks, I have a cool umbrella from CT shirts with the union flag on the inside.

It’s good to see the Govt want to fly the flag. It’s got nothing to do with Fascism that they’re doing it, no matter how much tenuous rubbish anyone wants to link the Govt’s actions with fascism. Despite me thinking it’s a good thing they want to fly the flag, it will never make me vote for them, it doesn’t make me like their political ideology; nor will it most people who don’t vote for them.

However, I think since Corbyn and his mob were around, the left have hated all this sort of thing. All of a sudden, even though Britishness is a key feature of the Labour Party, the left are “internationalists” these days, some consider themselves “European” and love all the EU iconography and flag, and in some instances are actually anti-British.
 
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why is it that people who are pro-flag flying make the presumption that people who don't think its necessary are

1/ left or hard left
2/ unpatriotic?
Experience.

And you should be more importantly asking yourself and others, “why do tenuous links to authoritarianism and fascism keep getting branded about like confetti?”

It’s hyperbole, it’s unhealthy. It’s as unhelpful as the party in power making their mistakes is for the country.
 
Experience.

And you should be more importantly asking yourself and others, “why do tenuous links to authoritarianism and fascism keep getting branded about like confetti?”

It’s hyperbole, it’s unhealthy. It’s as unhelpful as the party in power making their mistakes is for the country.
Do you agree that the government should be mandating flag flying and making its spokesmen have them in their living rooms? Or should it be personal choice with some guidelines as to their use?
 
Do you agree that the government should be mandating flag flying and making its spokesmen have them in their living rooms? Or should it be personal choice with some guidelines as to their use?
The mandate is on government buildings. It’s not like we’re all going to be forced to order a load of flags, poles and screws for every house in the country.

What the govt are mentioning is barely important at all. These links to fascism are barmy!
 
Interesting to see answers on census question 14 re national identity.
I consider myself British.

These DNA/genealogy tests you can have and are becoming ever more popular are showing that a lot of “English” people have older genes from this island than the Anglo-Saxon invasion and those that do have some AS genes actually also had a good chunk of pre-AS-Britonic/Brythonic genes as well.

While English is a language, there’s not really any such thing as English genealogically speaking (nor Scottish, nor Welsh, the genes of this island are not really distinct enough to separate three countries, if they were to be split there’d be more than three, but even the dozen or so you could separate everyone into, aren’t distinct enough from each other to be considered a genes from different countries).

My passport (when I had one, it’s run out haha) says I’m British, the country I live in is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This has been a country since 1927, and hasn’t been England since [i think] 1707.
 
However, I think since Corbyn and his mob were around, the left have hated all this sort of thing. All of a sudden, even though Britishness is a key feature of the Labour Party, the left are “internationalists” these days, some consider themselves “European” and love all the EU iconography and flag, and in some instances are actually anti-British.
I don't consider myself European, i do not love the EU flag nor am I anti British, but I am an internationalist, because international solidarity of the working classes could overthrow capitalism.

Stop getting the left mixed up with liberals and i might start taking you seriously.
 
The mandate is on government buildings. It’s not like we’re all going to be forced to order a load of flags, poles and screws for every house in the country.

What the govt are mentioning is barely important at all. These links to fascism are barmy!
Mandating flags isn’t a big deal in itself but it’s a symptom of the direction this government is going with its increasingly authoritarian agenda particularly with this bill giving police more powers than they need.
 

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