The Conservative Party

bluethrunthru said:
Lee Rowley MP - Tory whip - becoming a train wreck on QT - embarrassing
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Yes he was, but tory voters will admire his qualities because they've always voted for 'that sort'.

They are a shower of shit, they really are, but tories don't care. Power means more than democracy

Yeah, he was owned on so many fronts, he didn't look comfortable, and I had a good giggle when Alistair Campbell told it like it is

The bloke from Burnley got it spot on tonight. Full marks to him for calling out the countless times the ministerial code has been broken without any comeback from a Prime Minister with no moral compass.
 
Len Rum said:
Agree.
But there are a lot of Tory sheep out there.
Question is will the Tory party risk keeping BoJo as leader?
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Johnson is dispensable just like every party leader, and there will be a tipping point. Hs is a populist leader and with a all populist leader people start to get sick of you at some point and with the economy about to tank and the lies and sleaze that popularity is waining

Elections as won in this country on swing voters who in turn are in swing vote contituancies. Through his antics Johnson is losing this group of people and the more the Fail and the rest of the right wing press turn the screws more will follow, I don't see Johnson making the next general election as leader because his party will see him off hoperfully sooner rather than later.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Indeed. The idea that 80-odd grand isn't enough so we'll need to pay them to avoid them having second jobs is a piss take. They should be banned from having second jobs anyway. They should also be banned from taking money for campaigning above a certain (low) value from any single organisation or business, and banned from taking jobs at any organisation that might represent a conflict of interest for a significant period of time after they leave office to prevent favours for jobs. Anyone who does this should be investigated for corruption. They should also be banned from appointing people to the House of Lords if they have been legitimately voted out in an election. It's ridiculous that the electorate can vote someone out and the party can turn around and say "fuck you, you're having them anyway." (In reality an unelected HoL shouldn't exist anyway, but that's another story).

The MP salary is there to ensure that all members of society can become an MP without any financial penalty. It is already more than enough of an incentive for working class people and middle class people to consider it a very prestigious job. It's the same as a consultant doctor ffs, and much more when you take into account all of the bonuses involved. The only people who seem to have a problem with the salary are toffs who were expecting a six-figure salary to do fuck all at daddy's friend's company the second they left university.

There's this idea that paying people more removes corruption. No, harsh legal penalties get rid of corruption. It amazes me that Owen Paterson isn't able to be legally prosecuted for what he did, for example, and it's just a matter of breaking parliamentary rules.
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I would agree to most of this but, and there is always a but, we need a cross section of society to represent us in our Parliament, and that includes the rich. How do we encourage them to take part if the remuneration does not cover their outgoings? It is OK if you are down here at the bottom where we are, I dream of having £82k a year but how do we encourage those well off to participate as well? Would you take a pay drop and maybe even lose money by becoming an MP?
 
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