The Conservative Party

Mike D said:
In a nutshell Johnson is on his way because its gonna take 3 years and another leader to distance themselves from the shit he has left. There is not a cat in hells chance of them rocking up to the next election with all the bad smell of Johnson around.
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Agree.
But there are a lot of Tory sheep out there.
Question is will the Tory party risk keeping BoJo as leader?
 
metalblue said:
I don’t disagree that the Tories are the worst in our current episode of “MPs behaving badly” but being worst doesn’t solve the problem which has occurred again and again over the years across both our main parties. Maybe the solution isn’t more HoC rules but rather rules instilled in the parties code of conduct, it’s controllable, it doesn’t require public inquiries or whatever and can be done pretty quickly. I’m sure many MPs would prefer the procrastination of an inquiry however.

The “let’s not split hairs about this” article was an interesting read. Other than the 5 MPs (Tory) who were accused of trying to influence the judicial system (surely a matter for the courts to hand down punishment?) the others were largely *cough cough* “admin errors”. I read them all (again all tories) and thought it smacked of pretending the system catches every infraction whereas it clearly doesn’t. I guess they think we make the laws we don’t abide by them.
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They always have been and always will be.

www.pnas.org

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up...
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Powerful people are the most likely to break the rules – even if they make them | City St George's, University of London

Professor André Spicer writes for The Conversation about the behaviour of rulemakers when it comes to obeying their own laws.
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lloydie said:
They always have been and always will be.

www.pnas.org

Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior

Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up...
www.pnas.org www.pnas.org

Powerful people are the most likely to break the rules – even if they make them | City St George's, University of London

Professor André Spicer writes for The Conversation about the behaviour of rulemakers when it comes to obeying their own laws.
www.city.ac.uk www.city.ac.uk
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Thanks Lloydie I’ll have a read of them. I did read the other day that 25% of the population is traditional working class but 55% identify with working class values. Maybe there is hope for us yet.
 
There’s no previous government, conservatives or Labour, that are remotely comparable to the current incumbents. You only need to look back at what used to happen when there was even a small breach of the ministerial code compared to what’s being allowed to happen now, let alone their treatment of parliament and it’s rules.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Lee Rowley MP - Tory whip - becoming a train wreck on QT - embarrassing
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Yes he was, but tory voters will admire his qualities because they've always voted for 'that sort'.

They are a shower of shit, they really are, but tories don't care. Power means more than democracy

Yeah, he was owned on so many fronts, he didn't look comfortable, and I had a good giggle when Alistair Campbell told it like it is

The bloke from Burnley got it spot on tonight. Full marks to him for calling out the countless times the ministerial code has been broken without any comeback from a Prime Minister with no moral compass.
 
Len Rum said:
Agree.
But there are a lot of Tory sheep out there.
Question is will the Tory party risk keeping BoJo as leader?
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Johnson is dispensable just like every party leader, and there will be a tipping point. Hs is a populist leader and with a all populist leader people start to get sick of you at some point and with the economy about to tank and the lies and sleaze that popularity is waining

Elections as won in this country on swing voters who in turn are in swing vote contituancies. Through his antics Johnson is losing this group of people and the more the Fail and the rest of the right wing press turn the screws more will follow, I don't see Johnson making the next general election as leader because his party will see him off hoperfully sooner rather than later.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Indeed. The idea that 80-odd grand isn't enough so we'll need to pay them to avoid them having second jobs is a piss take. They should be banned from having second jobs anyway. They should also be banned from taking money for campaigning above a certain (low) value from any single organisation or business, and banned from taking jobs at any organisation that might represent a conflict of interest for a significant period of time after they leave office to prevent favours for jobs. Anyone who does this should be investigated for corruption. They should also be banned from appointing people to the House of Lords if they have been legitimately voted out in an election. It's ridiculous that the electorate can vote someone out and the party can turn around and say "fuck you, you're having them anyway." (In reality an unelected HoL shouldn't exist anyway, but that's another story).

The MP salary is there to ensure that all members of society can become an MP without any financial penalty. It is already more than enough of an incentive for working class people and middle class people to consider it a very prestigious job. It's the same as a consultant doctor ffs, and much more when you take into account all of the bonuses involved. The only people who seem to have a problem with the salary are toffs who were expecting a six-figure salary to do fuck all at daddy's friend's company the second they left university.

There's this idea that paying people more removes corruption. No, harsh legal penalties get rid of corruption. It amazes me that Owen Paterson isn't able to be legally prosecuted for what he did, for example, and it's just a matter of breaking parliamentary rules.
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I would agree to most of this but, and there is always a but, we need a cross section of society to represent us in our Parliament, and that includes the rich. How do we encourage them to take part if the remuneration does not cover their outgoings? It is OK if you are down here at the bottom where we are, I dream of having £82k a year but how do we encourage those well off to participate as well? Would you take a pay drop and maybe even lose money by becoming an MP?
 
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kaz7 said:
Very sad , not the first disabled person to die and wont be the last due to the last twelve years of the tories
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if you read the thread on Twitter you'll know thats not the case as it lists a litany of other cases where the system has failed people - the Nasty Party eh?
 
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