The Conservative Party

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Johnson was never fit to hold any high office. Making him PM is a sick joke.

He's had the gullible fooled for a while but it's impossible for him to keep up the charade.

To quote A. Lincoln, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Time for Johnson is running out and that is a very good thing for this country.

I watched Johnson last week on the BBC Parliament channel when he was being interviewed by the cross party select committee on standards.

I'm no tory, but I was genuinely shocked by his performance. He is clearly well out of his depth as a politician, let alone being Prime Minister. It is well known he doesn't do detail, but it was a real eyeopener just how little grasp he had on any of the matters that were raised.

The committee members knew more than he did, he was obviously uncomfortable, rocking back and forth in his chair, and he didn't offer anything other than 'Yes, you are quite correct about *******, and it's something we're going to look into'.

No plan, no thought, no ideas, nothing.

I'm not Johnson bashing here for the sake of it, far from it, but it isn't right when members of an all party committee are suggesting what the Prime Minister should be doing. He hasn't got a clue what's going on, just a small grasp of the basics that is astounding considering he is supposed to be running the country, and his reaction when confronted about some lies he told was pure indignation followed by a shrug of the shoulders.

He is totally unfit for office, and that came out in spade loads.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

So you think kids should be left in homes where they are abused or neglected then? Or perhaps left to fend for themselves if their parent(s) get poorly or die? What a weird thing to try and turn into a negative.

1000 Surestart centres shut.
Youth Clubs no longer exist
900 libraries shut
Mental Health services slashed
Social services slashed
School playing fields sold off

and once again the Tories are trying to solve a problem that they created.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Johnson was never fit to hold any high office. Making him PM is a sick joke.

He's had the gullible fooled for a while but it's impossible for him to keep up the charade.

To quote A. Lincoln, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Time for Johnson is running out and that is a very good thing for this country.

I did laugh this morning after seeing the breakfast news. I wonder how he'll be compared to his hero Winston in the future.

Churchill:
“What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?”

“We shall not fail or falter. We shall not weaken or tire. Neither the sudden shock of battle nor the long-drawn trials of vigilance and exertion will wear us down. Give us the tools and we will finish the job.”

Johnson:
"Peppa Pig World. Now that's my kind of place."

 

[Vic]

I did laugh this morning after seeing the breakfast news. I wonder how he'll be compared to his hero Winston in the future.

Churchill:
“What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?”

“We shall not fail or falter. We shall not weaken or tire. Neither the sudden shock of battle nor the long-drawn trials of vigilance and exertion will wear us down. Give us the tools and we will finish the job.”

Johnson:
"Peppa Pig World. Now that's my kind of place."

Yeah, but we're not talking about his social care betrayal. Poor families being taxed more and losing the home to pay for parental care so that rich families can keep their family home.

 

[Chris in London]

Yeah, but we're not talking about his social care betrayal. Poor families being taxed more and losing the home to pay for parental care so that rich families can keep their family home.

No, we are talking about whether the prime minister is fit to hold the office that he does, which is possibly a far more important discussion even than the social care betrayal, hugely important though that is

 

[Scottyboi]

Shame everyone who didn't vote Tory is stuck with this shit show.

But Corbyn is worse? No chance, what a fucking waste.

 

[bonespost]

And the while getting that NHS bill through on the quiet

 

[mat]

Today's Times Cartoon.

 

[metalblue]

PTSD from trauma can be irreversible, some will lack the insight to change. The woman in the article Leah has come to own conclusion that she doesn't want to have more children, but what do you do for the mothers who have 8-10 children only to have them all removed?

Sometimes there childhood trauma can be exacerbated by other conditions such as learning disabilities, they will never develop insight.

As I said, in those instances it is crueler not to sterilise them and prevent them churning out children (who may be be born with conditions like foetal alcohol syndrome). This wouldn't have to be forced (it could be incentivised) and could use temporary methods such as IUDs.

It’s a false dichotomy to say that women have a right to bear a child but their personal characteristics or historical behaviour means they have no right to raise it. That only means she becomes an involuntary surrogate.

It is unpalatable to say this but the direct consequences of doing it is less emotionally damaging than taking away multiple children and letting them live with false hope.

It’s not going to happen, it is considered a crime against humanity but on this single issue, in consequentialist terms it may the better option.




The article stated surestart centres encouraged better parenting, among numerous other benefits. The Welsh government is about to extend free school meals in primary schools to all pupils and England can't even maintain services at pre-2010 levels? Disgraceful

There is no arguable case to support cutting children's centres. Austerity was just a ruse to carry out class warfare to the benefit of the wealthy, which makes it all the more repugnant.

It doesn't have to be uncaring tory bastards, just lack of foresight, and cognitive dissonance that self-serving policies (tax cuts, policies that overly favour landlords and wealthy asset holders) won't do damage to the most vulnerable in society.

We know there will have been people who have had their lives drastically affected by cuts in services. We can never know the true impact of these changes.



I agree you can't put a price on it. It's shameful that so many of the adult prison population (25%) were in the care of the local authority as children. How many of the extra 20-30,000 in care each year will spend time inside?

I do get the dichotomy you highlight, it’s an interesting morale and ethical question. I would always err to favour the rights of the individual to select what is best for them rather than the state where they have capacity - or may reasonably be expected to regain capacity. Where they lack capacity on something as fundamental as the right to bare children I would want the courts to approve the “best interest” decision of professionals just to act as a check and balance to the process. But if the woman wanted children even if there was no hope of her retaining them and she understood (had capacity) and accepted the impacts of that it’s not for me or anyone else to deny her that. And yes, however much it may impact the child or mother - otherwise we end up going down a slippery slope that won’t be a big leap to society deciding to terminate severely disabled kids based on quality of life.

I’ve done a bit more digging into the numbers around this topic. In England there are around 67 kids per 10,000 in care (including foster care), in Wales that 109 per 10,000 (163% higher than England) and in Scotland it is 139 per 10,000 (207% higher than England). Why the disparity? Wales has Flying Start which was aimed to fill the hole that the reduction in sure start funding brought about but the number of kids in care in Wales has stubbornly increased. Scotland has seen a marginal reduction from just shy of 160 per 10,000 since 2012 so what social policies have they implemented since then - certainly they have gone hard on preventative measures on substance abuse since then, a possible link? It may be that funding for social services has declined meaning that they lack the capability to intervene in the family setting and so place children in the care system more precautionary than in the past? But that still doesn’t explain away the massive disparity between England, Wales and Scotland.

I do agree with you on your lack of foresight comment, sadly these unintended consequences are often ignored for fear of holding their hands up and saying we weren’t wrong in itself to do this, but we didn’t appreciate it would do that therefore we got it wrong. And until you get a change of government who are able to right the wrongs of previous governments they remain a problem.

 

[metalblue]

I watched Johnson last week on the BBC Parliament channel when he was being interviewed by the cross party select committee on standards.

I'm no tory, but I was genuinely shocked by his performance. He is clearly well out of his depth as a politician, let alone being Prime Minister. It is well known he doesn't do detail, but it was a real eyeopener just how little grasp he had on any of the matters that were raised.

The committee members knew more than he did, he was obviously uncomfortable, rocking back and forth in his chair, and he didn't offer anything other than 'Yes, you are quite correct about *******, and it's something we're going to look into'.

No plan, no thought, no ideas, nothing.

I'm not Johnson bashing here for the sake of it, far from it, but it isn't right when members of an all party committee are suggesting what the Prime Minister should be doing. He hasn't got a clue what's going on, just a small grasp of the basics that is astounding considering he is supposed to be running the country, and his reaction when confronted about some lies he told was pure indignation followed by a shrug of the shoulders.

He is totally unfit for office, and that came out in spade loads.

I think this is a fair assessment.