The Conservative Party

hilts said:
Ask yourself one question. If the world is heading in one direction what are you doing to stop it? You ain't a victim of such nonsense but a contributor.

And by you I mean your country not you.
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No doubt.
We have two traditional enemies in bed with each other along with the greens to keep out Sinn Fein who are now the biggest party north and south of the border.

And I reckon this suits Sinn Fein, as they can remain in opposition.

As I said mate. We have our problems.
 
journolud said:
Can’t get my head round that
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It's the Tories' only hope now. Persuading people that there is no alternative to corruption, sleaze, incompetence and general nastiness. It obviously has worked on a disturbing number of people, but some are just Tories who project their nastiness onto others.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Perhaps the word I should have used is frustration. Corbyn was so useless he couldn't even beat May. Labour has been ineffective for years. They have hardly landed a blow on the biggest bunch of crooks we have ever seen. In many ways they have been as backward-looking as the Tories. More than anything we need an opposition with vision and a modernising agenda. They have to step up.
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It's hard to land a blow when "the biggest bunch of crooks we have ever seen" have a huge majority and refuse to answer questions at PMQ, and when "the biggest bunch of crooks we have ever seen" are perfectly happy with corruption if it keeps them in power.
 
East Level 2 said:
It's hard to land a blow when "the biggest bunch of crooks we have ever seen" have a huge majority and refuse to answer questions at PMQ, and when "the biggest bunch of crooks we have ever seen" are perfectly happy with corruption if it keeps them in power.
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Not forgetting that the bunch of crooks largely have the mainstream media in their pockets.

@bobbyowenquiff is falling for their propaganda, that is, ‘Labour is shit, never mind the sleaze and corruption, vote for us.’
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I used to be a Tory voter because of my time in the military as they historically supported defence and when Labour had the likes of Corbin at the helm I’d rather have burned by ballot paper than vote for that ****

Now I just want what’s best for the country..
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Well that’s a bit of a cliffhanger on which to end. ;-)
 
Vic said:
It's the Tories' only hope now. Persuading people that there is no alternative to corruption, sleaze, incompetence and general nastiness. It obviously has worked on a disturbing number of people, but some are just Tories who project their nastiness onto others.
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Bizarrely, I've seen a few Tories mention that "no money left" note from 2010 recently. Andrea Ledsom said yesterday that the reason Rishi hasn't yet delivered on any of his promises was because "Labour left us with no money"!

Apparently it's been floated in focus groups, and people still believe it, so they're genuinely considering blaming the last 13 years of shitshow austerity, Brexit, Truss, and economics that even most big businesses despair of, on Gordon Brown.

I was amazed, but mentioned it to a few people, who all said that they know Tory voters who still go on about it all the time, whenever anything is wrong :/
 
bluenova said:
Bizarrely, I've seen a few Tories mention that "no money left" note from 2010 recently. Andrea Ledsom said yesterday that the reason Rishi hasn't yet delivered on any of his promises was because "Labour left us with no money"!

Apparently it's been floated in focus groups, and people still believe it, so they're genuinely considering blaming the last 13 years of shitshow austerity, Brexit, Truss, and economics that even most big businesses despair of, on Gordon Brown.

I was amazed, but mentioned it to a few people, who all said that they know Tory voters who still go on about it all the time, whenever anything is wrong :/
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We have no money because the party who bigs itself up on financial propriety blew billions - Truss/Covid/Brexit/Smart Motorways/HS2/High end tax avoidance the list goes on and on - time for the STories to fuck off - 13 years and look where we are.
 
The Tory Party inherited a difficult situation and made it worse.

Comparable countries did not go down the doctrinaire austerity route, or certainly not to the same extent. It was a sham. The objective was to reduce the size of the state using austerity as an excuse. They did not understand the macroeconomic consequences, or if they did, they did not care. The objective was to make the rich even richer, and in that, they have succeeded admirably.

Most people do not understand macroeconomics. They just knew it was hurting. That pain was a major factor in getting us the disastrous Brexit. Indeed, many voted for Brexit as a way of 'getting back' at Cameron and Osborne. (Osborne was arguably the worst Chancellor since WW2.)

The result has fucked us even further economically while dividing the country as nothing else has done since religion stopped being contentious. In some ways, this suits the Tories. They thrive on division and chaos, not least in their private moneymaking schemes.

The great British public is easily conned. Just give them someone to blame.
 
bluenova said:
Bizarrely, I've seen a few Tories mention that "no money left" note from 2010 recently. Andrea Ledsom said yesterday that the reason Rishi hasn't yet delivered on any of his promises was because "Labour left us with no money"!

Apparently it's been floated in focus groups, and people still believe it, so they're genuinely considering blaming the last 13 years of shitshow austerity, Brexit, Truss, and economics that even most big businesses despair of, on Gordon Brown.

I was amazed, but mentioned it to a few people, who all said that they know Tory voters who still go on about it all the time, whenever anything is wrong :/
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And after 13 years of austerity cuts, worse services, and more cuts for the hell of it, and a falling standard of living and falling life expectancy except for the rich, is there any money left?
 
BrianW said:
The Tory Party inherited a difficult situation and made it worse.

Comparable countries did not go down the doctrinaire austerity route, or certainly not to the same extent. It was a sham. The objective was to reduce the size of the state using austerity as an excuse. They did not understand the macroeconomic consequences, or if they did, they did not care. The objective was to make the rich even richer, and in that, they have succeeded admirably.

Most people do not understand macroeconomics. They just knew it was hurting. That pain was a major factor in getting us the disastrous Brexit. Indeed, many voted for Brexit as a way of 'getting back' at Cameron and Osborne. (Osborne was arguably the worst Chancellor since WW2.)

The result has fucked us even further economically while dividing the country as nothing else has done since religion stopped being contentious. In some ways, this suits the Tories. They thrive on division and chaos, not least in their private moneymaking schemes.

The great British public is easily conned. Just give them someone to blame.
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Yeah but we got more billionaires and they are all way richer.

Rejoice !

Tory cunts.
 
BrianW said:
The result has fucked us even further economically while dividing the country as nothing else has done since religion stopped being contentious. In some ways, this suits the Tories. They thrive on division and chaos, not least in their private moneymaking schemes.
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erm, have you seen the religion thread?
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I still feel like either of the parties are just the same shit with a different tie.. Far too interested in cross party conflict than doing the right thing
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Hard to do the right thing without a conflict with the people who are doing the wrong thing.

So effectively you want the parties to agree on the same shit so you can complain there's no difference.
 
Vic said:
Hard to do the right thing without a conflict with the people who are doing the wrong thing.

So effectively you want the parties to agree on the same shit so you can complain there's no difference.
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If they could actually work together and pull in the same direction we’d be in a much better place..

It’s never happening though

We’re a fucking embarrassment of a country from top to bottom.. Govt and public alike
 
Just remembered the STories have had several successes- more people in prison - more people waiting for operations- more children living in poverty - more food banks and more billionaires - well done STory Party you should be very proud of your achievements
 
journolud said:
erm, have you seen the religion thread?
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People used to be willing to die for their particular version of Christianity. That's how important it was.

No longer the case. Most people laugh at religion now, and the rest are relaxed about it. I'm happy to go into any church, there's only one God if you believe. And if you don't, it's irrelevant as the stamp-collecting club.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
If they could actually work together and pull in the same direction we’d be in a much better place..

It’s never happening though

We’re a fucking embarrassment of a country from top to bottom.. Govt and public alike
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You mean like the Tories and LibDems pulling together on austerity cuts for five years? Work together to rescind Brexit? Or work together to pretend we can make Brexit work?

Work to keep through traffic out of residential areas or work together to ensure drivers can go where they like?

Work together for a Mottram bypass (or build houses) or work together to protect the green belt?

Etc etc etc
 
Vic said:
You mean like the Tories and LibDems pulling together on austerity cuts for five years? Work together to rescind Brexit? Or work together to pretend we can make Brexit work?

Work to keep through traffic out of residential areas or work together to ensure drivers can go where they like?

Work together for a Mottram bypass (or build houses) or work together to protect the green belt?

Etc etc etc
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I guess you’re saying the whole fucking thing is a shambles?

I agree
 
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