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inbetween said:
Public schools are the likes of Eaton. You can't just apply for your kids to go, you have to go through a selection process. The money and fact you have to pay isn't the reason that you'd send anyone here, it's more about prestige.

Private schools are just independent schools open to anyone who wants to pay for a private education. These are used typically used by people who do very well in their jobs and want to send their kids to be educated privately. It isn't about prestige or mixing in with toffs or anything like that as with public schools.
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It is. Just less prestigious . There's a hierarchy among the schools but they still place themselves above state education.

You can still be "one of us" , just not one of the smaller circle that went to the more exclusive schools.

Most people who go to state schools don't list their secondary school on their LinkedIn but independently educated people do.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
So ‘public’ school is a misnomer.
They are far from Public and are in fact Private?
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It comes from the fact that the original public schools were set up as benevolent funds to educate boys from all social classes in the local area.

Upper classes and upper middle classes then hijacked the system to turn into a closed shop based on social status.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
So ‘public’ school is a misnomer.
They are far from Public and are in fact Private?
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Yes they're basically the same to a degree, they're called public schools because anyone can come and attend from anywhere in the world and the kids are usually boarded at the school too.

Private schools are more for rich people who want their kids to be privately educated locally instead of at a state school (for example because they'll have smaller class sizes and be better resourced than state schools).

Public schools are associated with prestige and have selection requirements whereas private schools are usually only associated with the fact that you have to pay but that's about it.

City players will probably send their kids to local private schools in Cheshire but they probably wouldn't send them to a boarded public school like Eton.
 
Public/private schools are charities, that means they don’t pay VAT. Do they, like other charities,ie Oxfam, get to apply Gift Aid on fees and private donations if they have had tax paid on the amount? If so that is a whopping extra 25% in income given them by us from the treasury.
 
inbetween said:
Yes they're basically the same to a degree, they're called public schools because anyone can come and attend from anywhere in the world and the kids are usually boarded at the school too.

Private schools are more for rich people who want their kids to be privately educated locally instead of at a state school (for example because they'll have smaller class sizes and be better resourced than state schools).

Public schools are associated with prestige and have selection requirements whereas private schools are usually only associated with the fact that you have to pay but that's about it.

City players will probably send their kids to local private schools in Cheshire but they probably wouldn't send them to a boarded public school like Eton.
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These days the terms all overlap but I think boarding is probably the biggest differentiator in what you’d call a public school vs an independent/private.


The original reason they were called public schools is because of the public schools act, which set up a load of rules governing them because Eton had fallen into disrepair and they weren’t teaching the kids anything except Greek and Latin, and there were a lot of concerned former pupils worried it wouldn’t be around to send their kids and grandkids to.

The original 7 governed by that act were all boarding schools, while a couple of others escaped legislation by arguing they were private schools and weren’t all board.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Public/private schools are charities, that means they don’t pay VAT. Do they, like other charities,ie Oxfam, get to apply Gift Aid on fees and private donations if they have had tax paid on the amount? If so that is a whopping extra 25% in income given them by us from the treasury.
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Taken from HMRC. Fortunately not eligible for gift aid.

Donations to schools, charities involved in running schools and Educational Trusts​

Only voluntary gifts or payments are eligible for Gift Aid. Simply describing a payment as ‘voluntary’ or a ‘donation’ does not make it eligible for Gift Aid.

If access to educational services or facilities provided by a school requires parents or relatives of students to make a payment, payments are not ‘voluntary’ and therefore they are not charitable donations.

If parents or relatives are asked to make ‘voluntary contribution’ payments to a school or school charity, which are linked to the provision of services or facilities to related pupils, they are not charitable donations. Payments made for the following are not eligible for Gift Aid:

  • tuition fees
  • school holidays
  • extra-curricular activities
  • lessons
  • educational trips
  • tickets for a school production
This is because these payments are not voluntary gifts, and a student receives a benefit paid for by a relative.

Donations made to an appeal or for a specific charitable purpose of the school, may be eligible for Gift Aid. Donations must not be linked to the provision of any benefit to a student related to a donor. Donations given for the following will usually qualify for Gift Aid:

  • non-uniform days
  • sponsored events
  • building appeals
  • equipment appeals
 
Let's face it the unions are running the country more or less at the moment
It's becoming farcical this now
 
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