The Conservative Party

[Vic]

This thread seems the obvious place for this....

Parliament is going to debate the petition – “Make lying in the House of Commons a criminal offence”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/576886

The debate is scheduled for 23 October 2023.

 

[HelloCity]

Just the classic style Tory behaviour that certain working class humans will defend and agree with despite it being bad for them.

Tories could campaign to leave human rights treaty​

Tories could campaign to leave European human rights treaty if Rwanda flights blocked

The party is likely to back leaving ECHR if Rwanda flights are still blocked, senior Tories say.

www.bbc.co.uk

If we lived in a normal world then this sort of thing would lead to them having zero votes.

 

[Postman Pep]

You must know that the Labour policy isn't anything similar.

They've consistently made the point that the money is being wasted because claims aren't being dealt with quickly. It's inhumane to keep people in limbo, and Labour have constantly made that argument. There's also a strong argument that the Tories are doing this on purpose because they want the news to be dominated by arguments about immigration.

Frankly, promoting a disingenuous tweet like this is beneath someone like yourself, who clearly cares about other people.

Except I wasn't talking about policy. The proof of that will be in the pudding. Will it survive Reeves fiscal responsibility rules or will it go the same way as the green pledges ?
I was talking about the language used to 'wind up gammon', to quote the poster I replied to...... and right on cue

Labour reduced the application backlog to 18954 (half of these were awaiting appeal) there were 166251 outstanding as at the end of last year

The asylum backlog is far higher now than when Labour left government - Full Fact

The home secretary told Parliament the current backlog bears “no comparison” to the situation in 2010, and that Labour would be “found wanting” in any comparison.

fullfact.org

Labour proposed and introduced more 'restrictive' asylum legislation than any government. But are portrayed as having an open door policy

Table 1. Timeline of Migration Policy and Legislative Milestones in the UK Government, 1998 to 2007​

​ ​ Policy/Legislation Type Year Overview Fairer, Faster and Firmer: A Modern Approach to Immigration and Asylum White Paper 1998 Instituted new controls but also a "covenant" with asylum seekers; emphasized "joined up" government and the need for administrative overhaul. Human Rights Act Parliamentary Act 1998 Incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law, giving human rights the status of "higher law." Immigration and Asylum Act Parliamentary Act 1999 Created a "covenant" with asylum seekers but generally restrictive; made provisions for a new welfare support system (the National Asylum Support Service). Race Relations (Amendment) Act Parliamentary Act 2000 Broadened antidiscrimination legislation to police and immigration service and created "positive duty" for race equality on public authorities. Antiterrorism, Crime and Security Act Parliamentary Act 2001 Part 4 of the act legislated that suspected terrorists who were immigrants could be interned (potentially on a permanent basis). The Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) reviews decisions, but the act does not permit judicial review of the SIAC. Secure Borders, Safe Havens: Integration with Diversity in Modern Britain White Paper 2002 Set out comprehensive reform, including the goal of "managed migration." The Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act Parliamentary Act 2002 Increased restrictions on asylum (breaking the previous "covenant") and new enforcement powers, but noted support of economic migration. Highly Skilled Migrant Program (HSMP) Change to regulations 2002 Created an immigration scheme based on points that aims to attract high-skilled migrants. Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act Parliamentary Act 2004 Further reduced asylum appeal rights and other restrictive measures. Controlling our Borders: Making Migration Work for Britain Five-Year Departmental Plan 2005 Published three months before the 2005 election, the plan set out a strong set of measures on gaining control of borders and managing migration through a new points system. Improving Opportunity, Strengthening Society: The Government’s Strategy to Increase Race Equality and Community Cohesion Policy Strategy 2005 A race-equality strategy designed to cut across government, complemented by a cross-cutting, race-equality target, and overseen by a board of senior public figures. Integration Matters: The National Integration Strategy for Refugees Policy Strategy 2005 Strategy meant to integrate refugees, including new "integration loans" and the piloting of a one-to-one caseworker model. Built on strategy formulated in 2000. A Points-Based System: Making Migration Work for Britain Policy Strategy 2006 Proposed a five-tier economic migration system. Tiers equate to categories: (1) high skilled, (2) skilled with job offer, (3) low skilled, (4) students, and (5) miscellaneous. Immigration, Asylum, and Nationality (IAN) Act Parliamentary Act 2006 Mainly focused on immigration (rather than asylum), it included restrictions on appeal rights, sanctions on employers of unauthorized labor, and a tightening of citizenship rules. Fair, Effective, Transparent and Trusted: Rebuilding Confidence in Our Immigration System Reform Strategy 2006 Created the arm's-length Border and Immigration Agency, which replaced the Immigration and Nationality Directorate on April 2, 2007. Enforcing the Rules: A Strategy to Ensure and Enforce Compliance with Our Immigration Laws Policy Strategy 2007 Called for secure border control built on biometric visas and greater checks. UK Borders Bill Parliamentary Bill 2007 Proposes police powers for immigration officers and a requirement that foreign nationals must have a Biometric Immigration Document (BID). Source: International Passenger Survey​

Well done you but might have been worth saving for someone accusing Labour of being soft on immigration.... something I am not doing. My point was the similarity of language and that Labour are not above scapegoating refugees for political purposes. Blunkett was using the term swamped before anybody had the misfortune of coming across Farage. Also who first coined the phrase 'hostile environment'?

 

[Phil1]

They have admitted that they will be hamstrung should they win the GE but also said that they will be getting rid asp. The difference is this, Labour put out a policy where they would work with other nations and create a cross-border policing service specific to this issue and also work hard to clear the backlog. Interestingly, this is becoming more and more the speech of the Tories which actually makes it the opposite of what you are saying as the Tories are now using Labours tactics in the hope that it softens the vote with the public.

Stopped reading his nonsense tbh.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

How long have we got left of these snivelling lying low lives in power? Normally we get a GE in May but do you think they will hold onto the bitter end where we get a general election in deepest December of next year?

 

[babyape]

 

[stonerblue]

Well instead of spending £6,000,000 a day housing them I’d spend a weeks worth of that money employing staff to proccess them immediately and then either ship them back or better still get them in the U.K. working, contributing and making society better for all.

Radical idea I know but wasting money just doesn’t wash with me I’m afraid. Find a better way of using it.

Is the right answer.

 

[stonerblue]

Really?

I’d say they have admitted they will be much of the same on this issue at least and many others and will just continue along the same lines. The barges will stay that’s for sure.

I look forward to all the criticism on here of them and their policy but I won’t hold my breath.

He's a fucking wanker (starmer) who will seemingly eschew Labour party values and common decency to win an election. No thought for the country or its citizens, just win power at all costs.

 

[dave_blue12]

Really?

I’d say they have admitted they will be much of the same on this issue at least and many others and will just continue along the same lines. The barges will stay that’s for sure.

I look forward to all the criticism on here of them and their policy but I won’t hold my breath.

Whilst I am uneasy at much of the noise coming from Labour and will definitely be calling them out if they really do turn out to be Tory light I cannot see them being embroiled in the levels of corruption that the Tories seem to revel in.

My take on views such as you espouse is by saying Labour will be as bad is that you are making excuses for the Tories.

We will judge the Labour government if and when.

 

[west didsblue]

Well instead of spending £6,000,000 a day housing them I’d spend a weeks worth of that money employing staff to proccess them immediately and then either ship them back or better still get them in the U.K. working, contributing and making society better for all.

Radical idea I know but wasting money just doesn’t wash with me I’m afraid. Find a better way of using it.

Yes, it’s an absolute no brainer. 2000 extra people processing 2 claims a day each would theoretically clear the backlog in 2 months. Obviously it would take time to ramp it up but the whole job could be done in a year if they really wanted to instead of throwing money at gimmicks and sound bites like the Rwanda policy or barges that not only don’t address the underlying problem but don’t save money either.

The one thing the Tories are very good at is deflecting from real issues by proposing measures designed to appeal to thick people’s base instincts, and then when they inevitably fail they pin the blame on the “woke blob establishment” which apparently consists of the opposition party, “lefty” lawyers and judges.