The Conservative Party

gill_undrhill said:
That is one argument. Here is a different one:

I see a lot of this going on: mentioning 13, possibly 14 years in power, but can I remind people the first 5 years were in a coalition with the hopeless Lib-Dems.

Furthermore, Boris Johnson got elected with an 80-seat majority in December 2019 - he was just getting going in early-2020 and then Covid-19 happened. We could argue for hours if Johnson and the tories dealt with that correctly or not, but the fact is, it wasn't his fault. Then, just as Covid-19 was pretty much sorted out (early-2022) Vladimir Putin invades Ukraine. We could argue for hours if Johnson and the tories dealt with that correctly or not, but the fact is, again, it wasn't his fault.

So now we come to the middle bit: David Cameron, Brexit & Theresa May. We don't need to argue for hours on that one, she should never have been Prime Minister.... why appoint a 'Remain' supporter into the top job, to deal with that, once the referendum result was for Brexit? "Brexit means Brexit" what a load of rubbish - if everyone in the House of Commons and the House of Lords (and the civil service) had accepted the democratic decision of the British people and acted to sort it with as much speed as possible, lead by someone totally committed to it, even the middle part of this Tory timeline might have been different.

This Tory government are in their death throes, I accept that, but how much is it their own fault and how much is it to do with pro-remainer civil servants, old-farts in the House of Lords, plus international events over which they had absolutely no control at all?

P.S. why did you say con-men as the worst of the lot was a woman: Theresa May. If you can't easily beat Jeremy Corbyn in a General Election, you should resign from politics.
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This is what happens when you drink the kool-aid people…
 
They are finished at last, but it won’t stop the thieving fuckers robbing the public blind until the day they are voted out.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Yup - thing with it is the rest of the world - particularly the EU - were damaged by the 2009 financial crash - then were hit by Covid - then had the impacts of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. However Germany et al continued to invest in education, health and transport rather than opt for the ideological choice of austerity. When Covid hit they also dealt with the horrors and came through the other side - they have truck drivers and they have people in work. What they don't have is supply chain issues resulting from self imposed border checks instead their produce flows freely across a continent. Post invasion places like France used the (state owned) energy company by cutting bills and taking a very low profit - our Govt chose to let the bills sky rocket and borrow money and give it to the energy companies so that they maintained their profits and now our Govt wants its borrowed money back - not from the companies but from us.

The biggest differences are summed up in 2 words. Tories and Brexit
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Why were energy prices tied to the TTF rather than oil price which caused the eye watering price rises caused by loss of refining capacity? Two words “European Union”.
 
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