The Conservative Party

stan bowles said:
A month after cancelling the Northern leg of HS2 because it was deemed too expensive, Hunt has the money to fund big tax cuts. I can't ever remember an NI cut of 2% during my working lifetime.
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It’s all smoke and mirrors though because it’s completely offset by the fact they’ve frozen the tax brackets - which would all have to be increasing at inflationary rates for it to be a real terms tax cut.

If the personal allowance went up 9% like the pensions (as it should), then that’d be £1,131 more you’d no longer pay tax on, saving £226. That’s basically the same as the NI cut for anybody earning <£25k.
 
mackenzie said:
Everything is so bloody depressing at the moment.
Was speaking to 23 year old woman yesterday when I was at work. She has a 3 year old son and is 20 weeks pregnant.
She is waiting for rehousing because her ex partner is violent, and knows where she lives. She has been classed as priority by the social housing association she is with but weeks later nothing is happening.
Told her to approach her MP.
"What's that?" she asked
"Member of Parliament"
"What's that?"
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It’s all mission accomplished for the tories.
They‘ve alienated the country from Europe, and now they are alienating the public from their own democratic process.
They want to engender anything/everything from disinterest to downright hostility towards politics amongst the disadvantaged and the ordinary people so they can get on with ‘divide and conquer’, while also propagating the notion of ‘They‘re all the same’ to create a scenario where the potential voters will turn a blind eye and become immune to the blatant corruption and power grabbing and national asset stripping.
They actually celebrate the opening of food-banks as it was a gift to the plebs, and some will ask for more at the next GE.
Of course, those who want more will be the least detrimentally affected by them.
 
mackenzie said:
She has at least one parent around, that I do know.
Yet she seems to have no understanding of anything in the "wider world."

That's not just down to politics or any Government, it's down to much more fractures in society.
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I was just thinking the same thing.

I can't work out if it's an age thing or there is a loss in generational socialising.

In my younger days the old bastards (in a good way) in my town would look out for me and my mates and I feel the same responsibility towards the kids today. I suppose we were more sociable then.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Fascists.

First they came for...
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They’re a load of useless wankers with no ideas but the word “fascist” is thrown around willy nilly and dilutes the weight of what that word really means.

The government are shit, obviously. But they’re not a load of fascists.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
They’re a load of useless wankers with no ideas but the word “fascist” is thrown around willy nilly and dilutes the weight of what that word really means.

The government are shit, obviously. But they’re not a load of fascists.
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Not all of them.

I understand what the word means and also the willful ignorance of people who chose to ignore it and not call it what it is in some cases.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
They’re a load of useless wankers with no ideas but the word “fascist” is thrown around willy nilly and dilutes the weight of what that word really means.

The government are shit, obviously. But they’re not a load of fascists.
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One definition came up with 14 defining characteristics of fascism. Have a read and see how many of them would apply to someone like Suella Braverman.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
2. Distain for the recognition of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. Supremacy of the military
5. Rampant sexism (and homophobia)
6. Controlled mass media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and government intertwined
9. Corporate power is protected
10. Labour power is suppressed
11. Distain for intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections

Now obviously some of those descriptors can only really apply to a government rather than an individual (it's hard for one person to rig an election), and obviously someone's instincts can still be suppressed by the institutions they're operating under (Trump is absolutely a fascist, for example, but one that was thwarted by the institutions of the USA, or has been so far, at least).

But for someone like Braverman, I'd say she definitely hits numbers 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. There haven't succeeded in controlling the mass media, but there have been clear attempts to control both the BBC with their appointments and threats of removing the licence fee, as well as organisations like GB News literally operating as a government mouthpiece.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
It’s all smoke and mirrors though because it’s completely offset by the fact they’ve frozen the tax brackets - which would all have to be increasing at inflationary rates for it to be a real terms tax cut.

If the personal allowance went up 9% like the pensions (as it should), then that’d be £1,131 more you’d no longer pay tax on, saving £226. That’s basically the same as the NI cut for anybody earning <£25k.
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Anyone earning less than 25k will still be a lot better off though due to the rise in the minimum wage, so some income groups will see a proper increase in take home pay.
 
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