The Conservative Party

bluethrunthru said:
The difficulty for them would be how many NEW Tory MP's were elected? Of of that small group how many are known or have obvious talent? They need a Cleverley or someone to keep the seat warm so they can identify a new "talent"
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There were just over 20, so likely slim pickings.
 
BrianW said:
What they fail to understand is that for the average person (not millionaires) a tax cut gives a piddling amount. Not worth it if your public services are shredded as a consequence.
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The problem is the entirety of this comes down to the something for nothing brigade. We all want better public services but the fact is we aren't prepared to pay for it. Labour had to promise not to raise taxes in this election and now they're pretty much screwed because of that promise.

They've promised to raise taxes on the rich but that isn't going to work. The rich already pay a considerable amount of tax and growth is in the pits. It isn't going to raise enough without damaging the economy. The cost of borrowing at the moment is also high and inflation is a risk so there's very little room for manoeuvre if general taxation remains a red line.

The only fair option is for mass tax rises to better reflect how things work in Europe. However, you can increase people's taxes instantly but you can't build new GP's, schools and hospitals instantly. Unfortunately the lifecycle of a Parliament reflects this and I think it's going to be the biggest problem for Starmer.

Starmer needs to move extremely quickly if he's going to make an impact. If he spends 2 years wasting time deciding policy then unfortunately the next election won't go like it did last week. People will just revert to the past which is to vote for themselves, low taxes, less immigration blah blah.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Bakers meltdown is complete - he has changed his X bio to something bat shit crazy

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Ha Ha.. "The Right Honourable" doesn't really fit all that well before the "Batshit Crazy Merciless Avenging Saviour of the Conservative Party and Scourge of the Brexit Non-Believers" or whatever instantly forgettable shite he has put on his profile.

Is it any wonder that with such deluded fucking Cosplay pricks like him in the Cabinet that the Country barely functions any more?

He has gone full Lawrence Fox, his ego has been pricked and he has try to prove that he is still relevant.
 
inbetween said:
The problem is the entirety of this comes down to the something for nothing brigade. We all want better public services but the fact is we aren't prepared to pay for it. Labour had to promise not to raise taxes in this election and now they're pretty much screwed because of that promise.

They've promised to raise taxes on the rich but that isn't going to work. The rich already pay a considerable amount of tax and growth is in the pits. It isn't going to raise enough without damaging the economy. The cost of borrowing at the moment is also high and inflation is a risk so there's very little room for manoeuvre if general taxation remains a red line.

The only fair option is for mass tax rises to better reflect how things work in Europe. However, you can increase people's taxes instantly but you can't build new GP's, schools and hospitals instantly. Unfortunately the lifecycle of a Parliament reflects this and I think it's going to be the biggest problem for Starmer.

Starmer needs to move extremely quickly if he's going to make an impact. If he spends 2 years wasting time deciding policy then unfortunately the next election won't go like it did last week. People will just revert to the past which is to vote for themselves, low taxes, less immigration blah blah.
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They have only promised not to raise some taxes, unfortunately the general public are obsessed with certain taxes.
 
west didsblue said:
What they need and what they will do is unlikely to coincide in the near future. At least not until a lot of the old duffers who make up much of the party membership die off.
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They have really backed themselves into a corner, or more accurately a dead-end.

Hopefully after such a beating they will now focus on fighting among themselves over the ownership of the rotting corpse of the once mighty Conservative Party, and by the time they have finished eating themselves they will also be finished as a force in the country.

Among the young and the under 50's their brand is poison. We know that people have long memories as the Tories have traded on the "Winter of Discontent" and the economic problems of the 70's for nearly half a century, and Jeremy Corbyn the bogeyman has been used for 15 years when they are struggling for an argument. Liz Truss and Partygate and Johnson's lies and Sunak's uselessness will echo down the years in the same way
 
Eebo said:
They have really backed themselves into a corner, or more accurately a dead-end.

Hopefully after such a beating they will now focus on fighting among themselves over the ownership of the rotting corpse of the once mighty Conservative Party, and by the time they have finished eating themselves they will also be finished as a force in the country.

Among the young and the under 50's their brand is poison. We know that people have long memories as the Tories have traded on the "Winter of Discontent" and the economic problems of the 70's for nearly half a century, and Jeremy Corbyn the bogeyman has been used for 15 years when they are struggling for an argument. Liz Truss and Partygate and Johnson's lies and Sunak's uselessness will echo down the years in the same way
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They have been poison for us old cunts too pal. Many years of poisonous shit from them.



 
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