The Conservative Party

BlueHammer85 said:
Good news for Reform unfortunately.
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That membership who express a preference are prime Reform Ltd voters - however just like the majority of Reform MP's they are ageing - one of the reasons the Tories lost loads of seats will be the death toll amongst 2019 Tory voters so Reform have to ask themselves how many will still be here in 5 years time? Possibly explains why Reform were doing a few posts on their socials that the youth were going to turn out for them. If you look at where they won seats they are seaside and rural areas with predominantly white populations who are already getting on.
 
My guess is the Tories will pick a RW Leader.

Their bind is this. If they pick a LW Leader some of their supporters will move to Reform. If they pick a RW one, some supporters will move to Lib-Dems or Labour. If they start cuddling up to Reform, a lot of supporters will walk away.

Strangely, much depends on how Labour do in government. If they pull the right levers, they will shoot a lot of Reform's foxes. BTW, I am almost certain immigration numbers will fall, even if Labour do nowt. And they won't do nowt.

A Tory-Reform amalgam will appeal to maybe 20% of the voters. Maybe 25% at a push. Not enough.

The snag from a Tory POV is that a more moderate position might take a long time to bear fruit unless Labour fuck up badly and a whole host of centrist voters start looking for an alternative. But as the Tories have absolutely poisoned their brand, those people could as well go Lib-Dem as Tory.
 
BrianW said:
My guess is the Tories will pick a RW Leader.

Their bind is this. If they pick a LW Leader some of their supporters will move to Reform. If they pick a RW one, some supporters will move to Lib-Dems or Labour. If they start cuddling up to Reform, a lot of supporters will walk away.

Strangely, much depends on how Labour do in government. If they pull the right levers, they will shoot a lot of Reform's foxes. BTW, I am almost certain immigration numbers will fall, even if Labour do nowt. And they won't do nowt.

A Tory-Reform amalgam will appeal to maybe 20% of the voters. Maybe 25% at a push. Not enough.

The snag from a Tory POV is that a more moderate position might take a long time to bear fruit unless Labour fuck up badly and a whole host of centrist voters start looking for an alternative. But as the Tories have absolutely poisoned their brand, those people could as well go Lib-Dem as Tory.
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Tories will also have to take account of what their donors want. I am not sure donors and those potentially looking to put big money into the Party have the stomach for a move further right as this makes them unpopular with the wealthier parts of the Home Counties. This is in addition to the almost widespread rejection of their ideology among Londoners.

I think what you mention about Reform's foxes is spot on. We will see a larger 'middle'. An area the Tories may be looking to abandon.

Most of probably have a very poor view of the Tories based on performance in Govt and their election campaign but there will be some very canny people with power in the Party who will resist a further move to the right.

Personally, I think matching Reform ideology will be suicide for the Tories. Whilst I would be happy for the Tory Party to go to hell in a handcart, I simply don't want them to become like Reform as the divisiveness of the last 8 or 9 years has been dreadful for this country. I am hoping this Parliamentary term will give us some respite from the poison.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Fuck me - they voted for and he backed the "NO REFUNDS " policy that he is now trying to land on Labour after less than a week

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This tweet is not aimed at a fair minded impartial observer of the nation’s affairs. It is aimed at the membership of the Conservative Party, for whom critical thinking is not a characteristic with which they are normally associated.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Fuck me - they voted for and he backed the "NO REFUNDS " policy that he is now trying to land on Labour after less than a week

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So, the cunts gave them the funds upfront rather than do what any other business would do and pay for the service as it comes.

Yet another dodgy deal by the Tories.
 
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