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Saddleworth2 said:
I found this article about Rishi Sunak quite interesting. Whatever you think of the Guardian its hard to argue that putting a cap on public investment is not what we need at present.

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In an act of brazen treachery, Rishi Sunak is sabotaging Boris Johnson’s policies | Michael Jacobs

The Tories’ key initiatives are in trouble because the chancellor won’t fund them, says Michael Jacobs, professor of political economy at the University of Sheffield
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Saddleworth2 said:
I found this article about Rishi Sunak quite interesting. Whatever you think of the Guardian its hard to argue that putting a cap on public investment is not what we need at present.

www.theguardian.com

In an act of brazen treachery, Rishi Sunak is sabotaging Boris Johnson’s policies | Michael Jacobs

The Tories’ key initiatives are in trouble because the chancellor won’t fund them, says Michael Jacobs, professor of political economy at the University of Sheffield
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The article makes some sound points but fails to mention Brexit which has decimated the economy. When you have an economy which by the governments own watchdog (OBR) standards is going to be smaller, the government needs to step in.

As much as I want Bonehead out the prospect of Sunak turning the UK to Singapore on Thames doesn't sound to thrilling.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I found this article about Rishi Sunak quite interesting. Whatever you think of the Guardian its hard to argue that putting a cap on public investment is not what we need at present.

www.theguardian.com

In an act of brazen treachery, Rishi Sunak is sabotaging Boris Johnson’s policies | Michael Jacobs

The Tories’ key initiatives are in trouble because the chancellor won’t fund them, says Michael Jacobs, professor of political economy at the University of Sheffield
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It’s not quite as simple as that unfortunately, the UK has inflationary pressures and the last thing you need is largeness in the economy until you can get a handle on those figures. Chucking significantly above inflation numbers into the pot will make life more expensive for most of us. They need to see the numbers over the next 12 months - and of course it’ll look like they are trying to bribe the electorate with gifts from the magic money tree or whatever cliches get rolled out at the time.

Similarly with enforced social distancing/ lockdown whatever you want to call it - there is a balancing act. We don’t yet know how serious Omicron is going to be in those infected so to lock down now would be putting the cart before the horse. We need to wait and see, if this thing is as bad as delta but more infectious and the NHS looks like it will struggle then a lockdown is a coming and so is furlough along with what a £250bn+ bill? To put it into a military context you wouldn’t put the majority of your troops to meet an attack unless you were certain it was the enemies main force - as always the key is to be led by on the ground evidence not by your own stubborn views as many a general has found out to their cost.

Anyroad back to COVID; In the meantime government messaging has defacto created a sort of lockdown for hospitality so they are getting some support. Possibly not enough but I suspect we are keeping our powder dry incase we need to go into full lockdown and find all that extra money.

These are difficult times. I suspect if we go into another lockdown it will have a knock on effect on booster uptakes as well - which we are going to have annually for sometime yet. And that creates its own problems for the future and other variants. Sunak supposedly wants to be PM during these times? Nah, ambitious he might be but stupid he ain’t. So that leaves us with Boris who is obviously not the right person for this job, he doesn’t wear the mask of a man who isn’t sleeping at night because he is wrestling with the decisions he has to make. Boris is great at selling a vision, but we don’t need that type of political leader now and his limitations have been badly found out.

It’s just as hard for Labour really, a few MPs saying do more, the shadow health secretary saying I can’t say what I’d do as I don’t have all the evidence etc - no politician wants to put their hand up and say I don’t know. If ever there was a time for a government of national unity it’s been this last year and a half and for the next however long. The “Westminster bubble storms” are just an unhelpful distraction - that’s not to say we ignore the stupidity of our 600 odd politicians but whilst they are arguing over parties or leaving dos or slinging playground abuse or whatever we have over 60million people that aren’t being prioritised even if it’s just getting the messaging right - and that’s disgraceful.

Article was pretty interesting and made some thought provoking points.
 
metalblue said:
It’s not quite as simple as that unfortunately, the UK has inflationary pressures and the last thing you need is largeness in the economy until you can get a handle on those figures. Chucking significantly above inflation numbers into the pot will make life more expensive for most of us. They need to see the numbers over the next 12 months - and of course it’ll look like they are trying to bribe the electorate with gifts from the magic money tree or whatever cliches get rolled out at the time.

Similarly with enforced social distancing/ lockdown whatever you want to call it - there is a balancing act. We don’t yet know how serious Omicron is going to be in those infected so to lock down now would be putting the cart before the horse. We need to wait and see, if this thing is as bad as delta but more infectious and the NHS looks like it will struggle then a lockdown is a coming and so is furlough along with what a £250bn+ bill? To put it into a military context you wouldn’t put the majority of your troops to meet an attack unless you were certain it was the enemies main force - as always the key is to be led by on the ground evidence not by your own stubborn views as many a general has found out to their cost.

Anyroad back to COVID; In the meantime government messaging has defacto created a sort of lockdown for hospitality so they are getting some support. Possibly not enough but I suspect we are keeping our powder dry incase we need to go into full lockdown and find all that extra money.

These are difficult times. I suspect if we go into another lockdown it will have a knock on effect on booster uptakes as well - which we are going to have annually for sometime yet. And that creates its own problems for the future and other variants. Sunak supposedly wants to be PM during these times? Nah, ambitious he might be but stupid he ain’t. So that leaves us with Boris who is obviously not the right person for this job, he doesn’t wear the mask of a man who isn’t sleeping at night because he is wrestling with the decisions he has to make. Boris is great at selling a vision, but we don’t need that type of political leader now and his limitations have been badly found out.

It’s just as hard for Labour really, a few MPs saying do more, the shadow health secretary saying I can’t say what I’d do as I don’t have all the evidence etc - no politician wants to put their hand up and say I don’t know. If ever there was a time for a government of national unity it’s been this last year and a half and for the next however long. The “Westminster bubble storms” are just an unhelpful distraction - that’s not to say we ignore the stupidity of our 600 odd politicians but whilst they are arguing over parties or leaving dos or slinging playground abuse or whatever we have over 60million people that aren’t being prioritised even if it’s just getting the messaging right - and that’s disgraceful.

Article was pretty interesting and made some thought provoking points.
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The most important thing for me is investment in our infrastructure rail especially. Investment that will help build wealth and equality across the country, not just in the s.east. That is what Sunak is restricting through his monetary targets and that is what the article claims is undermining the Tory policy of Levelling up. Whichever government get in next, Labour or another Tory one we have to invest as a nation, we can’t simply leave it to private enterprise, the government must drive the investment.
 
Mike D said:
The article makes some sound points but fails to mention Brexit which has decimated the economy. When you have an economy which by the governments own watchdog (OBR) standards is going to be smaller, the government needs to step in.

As much as I want Bonehead out the prospect of Sunak turning the UK to Singapore on Thames doesn't sound to thrilling.
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I agree. That’s the point. The Government need to be driving investment through public finances. Sunak is actively suppressing such investment.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
The most important thing for me is investment in our infrastructure rail especially. Investment that will help build wealth and equality across the country, not just in the s.east. That is what Sunak is restricting through his monetary targets and that is what the article claims is undermining the Tory policy of Levelling up. Whichever government get in next, Labour or another Tory one we have to invest as a nation, we can’t simply leave it to private enterprise, the government must drive the investment.
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I completely agree we need to build wealth and equality across the whole country.
 
Mike D said:
That's never going to happen under an ideologically driven Tory government.
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They’re driven by maintaining the status quo, they don’t want to create room at the top as that would mean some at the top dropping ‘down’. Upward and steep social mobility can only really happen if there is movement in the opposite direction and no British politician will ever try and sell that idea.
 
Zinchilla said:
They’re driven by maintaining the status quo, they don’t want to create room at the top as that would mean some at the top dropping ‘down’. Upward and steep social mobility can only really happen if there is movement in the opposite direction and no British politician will ever try and sell that idea.
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That's why they are called CONSERVatives..... the party of maintaining the status quo.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Raab is fucking thick as fucking mince - this is the guy in charge when Johnson isn't capable - fuck me anyone who voted for this lot should hang their heads in shame

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If only we had the Labour deputy in place who left school with more kids than qualifications. He’s far from thick and the Piers Morgan wannabe is one annoying prick.
 
manchester blue said:
If only we had the Labour deputy in place who left school with more kids than qualifications. He’s far from thick and the Piers Morgan wannabe is one annoying prick.
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I’m hoping I’m reading this wrong but have you just said that people cannot attain a decent career because they have children when they are young?
 
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