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The Future’s Blue! said:
With the recent changes in University Fee payments, it’s clear that the government want our next generation to be educated to a limited standard so that they take up all the menial jobs while the wealthy continue to take the best jobs with their graduate status.

Are we moving back to the upper, middle and working class system?
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I don't see how this is relevant. In my experience university has no bearing on the job you get. No-one can just expect to get a good job out of university, this is self-entitlement and there aren't enough jobs anyway.

The way the university sector sells this is a complete scam and the whole system stinks of snobbery. You should only do a degree if interested in the academic side of it, not for a job. The reality is 99% will finish their degrees and then get thrown into a pool of thousands of others to fight for a handful of jobs, they won't get the job and then they'll start at the bottom somewhere where they could of gone before their degree...

I left university with a degree and masters in aerospace engineering. I applied to the graduate scheme of the company I'm at now but I didn't even get past the test so I had to start at the bottom at another company. 2 years later I got directly into this company and I didn't have to mess about on a graduate scheme and I was on a higher salary.... ironic!

The clever kids today are the ones who are choosing earning and apprenticeships instead of university. I know apprentices at our place who drive Mercs and bought their first houses at 22 because they didn't spend 3-4 years wasting their time and earning nothing. The company pays for them to do their degrees down the line anyway.....
 
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inbetween said:
I don't see how this is relevant. In my experience university has no bearing on the job you get. No-one can just expect to get a good job out of university, this is self-entitlement and there aren't enough jobs anyway.

The way the university sector sells this is a complete scam and the whole system stinks of snobbery. You should only do a degree if interested in the academic side of it, not for a job. The reality is 99% will finish their degrees and then get thrown into a pool of thousands of others to fight for a handful of jobs, they won't get the job and then they'll start at the bottom somewhere where they could of gone before their degree...

I left university with a degree and masters in aerospace engineering. I applied to the graduate scheme of the company I'm at now but I didn't even get past the test so I had to start at the bottom at another company. 2 years later I got directly into this company and I didn't have to mess about on a graduate scheme and I was on a higher salary.... ironic!

The clever kids today are the ones who are choosing earning and apprenticeships instead of university. I know apprentices at our place who drive Mercs and bought their first houses at 22 because they didn't spend 3-4 years wasting their time and earning nothing. The company pays for them to do their degrees down the line anyway.....
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have you not noticed a record 1.2m vacancies? "no jobs"?
 
inbetween said:
I don't see how this is relevant. In my experience university has no bearing on the job you get. No-one can just expect to get a good job out of university, this is self-entitlement and there aren't enough jobs anyway.

The way the university sector sells this is a complete scam and the whole system stinks of snobbery. You should only do a degree if interested in the academic side of it, not for a job. The reality is 99% will finish their degrees and then get thrown into a pool of thousands of others to fight for a handful of jobs, they won't get the job and then they'll start at the bottom somewhere where they could of gone before their degree...

I left university with a degree and masters in aerospace engineering. I applied to the graduate scheme of the company I'm at now but I didn't even get past the test so I had to start at the bottom at another company. 2 years later I got directly into this company and I didn't have to mess about on a graduate scheme and I was on a higher salary.... ironic!

The clever kids today are the ones who are choosing earning and apprenticeships instead of university. I know apprentices at our place who drive Mercs and bought their first houses at 22 because they didn't spend 3-4 years wasting their time and earning nothing. The company pays for them to do their degrees down the line anyway.....
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I agree with you. What I was probably trying to say was that the poor stick to the poor jobs and the rich take their rightful.

Know your place, so to say.
 
bluethrunthru said:
have you not noticed a record 1.2m vacancies? "no jobs"?
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How many of these are skilled positions though and not vacancies for the thousands of foreign workers who left during COVID? There's loads of shops, bars and restaurants out there with vacancy signs, I haven't seen that for yonks. It won't necessarily be the worst thing as pay should become really competitive which is needed with living costs going up.

I think the hardest thing at the moment is getting experienced people. Our place took a record number of apprentices this year because basically the demographic is most of the workforce will be retired in 10 years time and the job market lacks people with experience.
 
inbetween said:
I haven't seen that for yonks. It won't necessarily be the worst thing as pay should become really competitive which is needed with living costs going up.
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I kind of agree with you, but if restaurants ,cafes, and shops pay nore it will be another pressure on inflation and interest rates.
 
mat said:
Makes you wonder what else is going through parliament whilst our eyes are looking elsewhere.
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This war is proving not at all to catastrophic in terms of what they’re sneaking out, not to mention the millions be made by ‘giving’ arms to Ukraine. They cut the core NHS budget by £500M last week as well.….
 
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I noticed that Zahawi this morning was determined to talk over questions so he could get his numbers out rather than have to consider 'why'.
"i've done this"
"I've got that"
"I decide what to do with it"

He's only been in the job a few months - although he managed to note that he was Vaccines minister, which I suspect almost nobody had forgotten - and I doubt he has any kind of plan himself.
 
bluethrunthru said:
have you not noticed a record 1.2m vacancies? "no jobs"?
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Yes, certainly have. We have literally hundreds of vacancies all over the area. Lots of EU workers gone home etc and we can’t get staff. I wonder why? It is not the low pay although that may be one of the reasons but one of the main reasons is that we don’t have the people around here. We have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country and you could make the argument that those not in a job are unable to work or do the physically demanding work needed in the fields and food factories around here. We are seeing a huge change around here in the crops that are being planted or not being planted more like because of the shortage of workers. Don’t be surprised if the price of locally produced fruit and veg goes through the roof later this year.

I have heard that most of the unemployment is in City’s so how do you get those people to do the jobs out here in the countryside?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I noticed that Zahawi this morning was determined to talk over questions so he could get his numbers out rather than have to consider 'why'.
"i've done this"
"I've got that"
"I decide what to do with it"

He's only been in the job a few months - although he managed to note that he was Vaccines minister, which I suspect almost nobody had forgotten - and I doubt he has any kind of plan himself.
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It was interesting to see the graph of 12 years of cuts and him trying to wriggle out of answering the questions. Every excuse under the sun, even blaming Labour at one point. Did he forget that austerity was a choice, not a requisite?
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Yes, certainly have. We have literally hundreds of vacancies all over the area. Lots of EU workers gone home etc and we can’t get staff. I wonder why? It is not the low pay although that may be one of the reasons but one of the main reasons is that we don’t have the people around here. We have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country and you could make the argument that those not in a job are unable to work or do the physically demanding work needed in the fields and food factories around here. We are seeing a huge change around here in the crops that are being planted or not being planted more like because of the shortage of workers. Don’t be surprised if the price of locally produced fruit and veg goes through the roof later this year.

I have heard that most of the unemployment is in City’s so how do you get those people to do the jobs out here in the countryside?
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It’s easy…..you simply wish very hard and take back control and soon everything in brexitland is all lovely.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
It was interesting to see the graph of 12 years of cuts and him trying to wriggle out of answering the questions. Every excuse under the sun, even blaming Labour at one point. Did he forget that austerity was a choice, not a requisite?
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Was the one Sophy Ridge showed? That was excruciating.
Zahawi isn't very smooth at the best of times, but it was just refusal to engage.

I'd not noticed that it was a day for his Education White Paper which will obviously bear little relationship to what actually occurs. I don't know how meaningful what he announced as the plan is.

After the shadow minister had their say, he's just gone for Labour this, Labour that, no plan, and trotting out stats which sound good but don't relate to much. He's also very proud of this T-level thing and his badge - mentioned it on BBC Breakfast, mentioned it in the House of Commons.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Was the one Sophy Ridge showed? That was excruciating.
Zahawi isn't very smooth at the best of times, but it was just refusal to engage.

I'd not noticed that it was a day for his Education White Paper which will obviously bear little relationship to what actually occurs. I don't know how meaningful what he announced as the plan is.

After the shadow minister had their say, he's just gone for Labour this, Labour that, no plan, and trotting out stats which sound good but don't relate to much. He's also very proud of this T-level thing and his badge - mentioned it on BBC Breakfast, mentioned it in the House of Commons.
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That’s the one and his rhetoric went some way to confirm how the government want to shape the next generation, starting with the T-level, which will finish up as some bargain basement qualification that will lead to our youngsters being able to make a nice brew.

Following his interview it was good to hear from people who were at the front of the fight, saying that what he was proposing was nowhere near what was needed and more to do with setting targets rather then funding the issues. Basically, do better with what you’ve got or we’ll mark you down in your annual audits, probably cut funding where it’s most needed.
 
inbetween said:
I don't see how this is relevant. In my experience university has no bearing on the job you get. No-one can just expect to get a good job out of university, this is self-entitlement and there aren't enough jobs anyway.

The way the university sector sells this is a complete scam and the whole system stinks of snobbery. You should only do a degree if interested in the academic side of it, not for a job. The reality is 99% will finish their degrees and then get thrown into a pool of thousands of others to fight for a handful of jobs, they won't get the job and then they'll start at the bottom somewhere where they could of gone before their degree...

I left university with a degree and masters in aerospace engineering. I applied to the graduate scheme of the company I'm at now but I didn't even get past the test so I had to start at the bottom at another company. 2 years later I got directly into this company and I didn't have to mess about on a graduate scheme and I was on a higher salary.... ironic!

The clever kids today are the ones who are choosing earning and apprenticeships instead of university. I know apprentices at our place who drive Mercs and bought their first houses at 22 because they didn't spend 3-4 years wasting their time and earning nothing. The company pays for them to do their degrees down the line anyway.....
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AXA Insurance and many major companies run Graduate ''fast track'' schemes ... they're not advertised in papers or at recruitment companies because the positions are filled at ''open days'' on the campus.
 
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