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Fred_Quimby said:
I keep saying that the government will get back more than they give out. There will be more people moving into their first homes than pegging it. Just look around at all the new homes being built and how many people will be moving out into their first home. Just think of all those students in their final year in September then them moving into a new flat/home next year all having to pay back £200 they didn’t get.
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It's a scam.

Government housing target is 300,000 new homes a year... so added revenue of £12m in year 1, £24m, £36m, £48m, and £60m in year 5. £180m return...
 

domalino said:
A lot of this is bollocks though, the media doesn’t have access to who has a US green card or even a list of non-doms in the UK. The blog frames it that the media has known about this all along or could have, when in actual fact it’s only because it’s been leaked by senior sources (likely no. 10) that they know about it at all.

That’s just how shit works sometimes.

Also some of the stuff just wasn’t relevant 2 years ago. Everyone knew about his wife’s stake in her dads business but it wasn't a story until they kept doing business with Russia despite Sunak levelling huge sanctions.

It has to be remembered he came to power during lockdown when there was no access for journalists to government for anything except covid. There was very limited contact and there were no public events for him to show how out of touch and buffooney he is - like filling up some random persons car and not knowing how to pay, or releasing photographs claiming to be reading the budget but very clearly reading a double page interview of himself in the Mail.

Not to mention the biggest gaffe of all - his first non-covid budget.

So while I’ll always get onboard a pile on the Whitehall media in this country, I think it’s entirely wrong to pretend this is all stuff that should have been reported in April 2020.
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I dunno maybe I have higher expectations than you? Then again you plugged the Marina Hyde piece .....
 
Postman Pep said:
I dunno maybe I have higher expectations than you? Then again you plugged the Marina Hyde piece .....
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Well if you agree with the blogger you posted, youre expecting the press to report on stories before they exist, which is just fucking stupid.
 
domalino said:
Well if you agree with the blogger you posted, youre expecting the press to report on stories before they exist, which is just fucking stupid.
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Not really. Just agree with the premise of his piece that we probably deserve better than Guardian columnists despairing at the level of cynicism within Westminster.
 
metalblue said:
It’s either ok or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose based on the person.

I’m also not a government minister - but I suspect you may have already guessed that ;)
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Yes, you can. The PM and cabinet are, and should, be held to a higher standard than your average Joe. That is the way it works, and after telling Sun readers that it’s none of their business because this is ‘how us rich folk do things’, his wife will now pay tax.

Blind Pew could have seen how this was going to end, which is why either you, or Sunak, trying to defend it was doomed to failure.

‘Chancellor Rishi Sunak's wife, Ashkata Murty has volunteered to pay UK income tax on her worldwide income. Ms Murty owns £700m pounds in shares of the Indian IT giant Infosys founded by her father from which she received £11.6 million in dividend income last year...’ @BBC
 
bluethrunthru said:
why do MP's keep defending them just to be made clowns of a couple of days later - she won't be a happy bunny as she will have to delay changing the Rio

www.bbc.co.uk

Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income

Akshata Murty has previously not paid UK tax on shares worth £700m in an Indian tech company.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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From “This is a smear campaign. My wife has done nothing wrong” to paying it in under 24 hours. He can kiss being the next PM goodbye.

Now to wait for the next greedy Tory to have their dodgy dealings be revealed. I don’t think we’ll have to wait for too long.
 
Neil Parish, Tory chair of EFRA committee says the Tory government just isn't taking food and farming seriously. And it's Patel again....

Actually he said it last year and he's still saying it. “I really don’t know why don’t you take it more seriously, rather than just having your blasted processes that you have in the Home Office that take forever and you prevaricate and prevaricate and the situation gets worse."

More food to be imported, and that's before the schemes kick in to grow trees rather than food.

From the latest EFRA Report (Covid and Brexit to blame):

  • Crop picking/harvesting—The National Farmers’ Union (NFU) reported that 24% of the UK daffodil crop was left unpicked at the start of 2021 “due to a staggering 33% shortage in seasonal workers”,15 while Lea Valley Growers’ Association noted that “10% of cucumber growing members didn’t plant a third crop” in July 2021 due to a lack of workers.16 Riviera Produce Ltd reported that it “left over £500,000 of produce to rot in the fields” due to a lack of staff,17 and Boxford Suffolk Farms Ltd said it “had to waste approximately 44 tonnes of fruit this year” due to labour shortages.18
  • Meat production and processing—Nick Allen, Chief Executive of the British Meat Processors Association (BMPA), said that its members were around 15% to 16% short on staff.19 The National Pig Association (NPA) reported approximately 10,000 vacancies across all processing sector roles, with vacancy rates in pork processing plants of 10–15% on average.20 They reported a “desperate lack of skilled butchers” but said pig farmers were also “struggling” for labour.21
  • Poultry—Graeme Dear, Chair of the British Poultry Council (BPC), said that of the 40,000-workforce needed, his members had vacancy rates of 16%, which equated to 6,000 empty positions.22 The BPC reported that due to labour shortages many members had been “forced to cut back weekly chicken production by 5–10%”, reducing the range of poultry products offered to UK customers.23
  • Food processing—Ian Wright, FDF, explained that labour shortages were having a “big impact” on food manufacturers’ capacity which was causing “something like one order in five not being fulfilled on time” for supermarkets and in hospitality.24 Mr Wright said this threatened to undermine the food supply chain’s long-standing just-in-time model.25
  • Hospitality—Kate Nicholls OBE, Chief Executive of UKHospitality, said there had been a 10% vacancy rate within the hospitality sector since the end of lockdown in July 2021, which equated to around 200,000 workers.26 Ms Nicholls said that labour shortages in the sector, and broader supply chain issues, were suppressing revenues by 15 to 20%.27
  • Logistics—Tom Southall, Policy Director at the Cold Chain Federation, said that there was a “staggering” shortage of between 70,000 and 100,000 HGV drivers compared to the 300,000 employed in total before the pandemic.28 In addition, warehousing had shortage rates of 10 to 20%, which was causing considerable delays at distribution centres.29
 
Fred_Quimby said:
After this 'non dom' loophole has been highlighted I assume that this lot will work to close it immediately? Ha ha ha.
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was unsurprised to learn that this loophole isn’t available in almost any other comparable country. Think Portugal and Malta might be the others (could be wrong).

hopefully Tory incompetence and arrogance will cost them in the next GE. Not holding my breath tho. When you’ve got people springing to Sunak’s defence over something that is clearly wrong just because he’s a Tory, you realise how fucked we are.
 
joe123 said:
was unsurprised to learn that this loophole isn’t available in almost any other comparable country. Think Portugal and Malta might be the others (could be wrong).

hopefully Tory incompetence and arrogance will cost them in the next GE. Not holding my breath tho. When you’ve got people springing to Sunak’s defence over something that is clearly wrong just because he’s a Tory, you realise how fucked we are.
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And then, like every Tory MP called to breakfast interviews to defend liars and cheats, finding by noon they've been defending the indefensible.
 
metalblue said:
Ok, slightly different topic but I get where you are going now. I’d go slightly further, his wife is retaining non dom status - implying she plans to return to India full time. He is setting tax laws that will last long after he has [likely] left the UK. Now I’ve not seen anything he has done that would imply he doesn’t give a shit but it raises uncomfortable questions and does make his position awkward.
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She doesn’t have to intend to return to India although that would do. An intention to end her days in say the USA would be good enough. The key thing is that she doesn’t have a fixed intention of making the U.K. her permanent home.
 
metalblue said:
Of course she pays tax in India - she may do so efficiently but that sounds like a problem for the Indian government and its citizens. But… you lived tax free in the US as a foreign national? Not a criticism, good on you, but you used tax rules to your personal benefit yet are now pissed about someone else potentially doing the same? Pot kettle and all that.

Anyways they obviously got wise to that as was different when I lived in US and had to pay taxes from day 1, only choice I had (IIRC) was to pay resident state taxes monthly or yearly and you had self declared discounts such as mortgage. As I earned in one state and lived in another I think earning state and federal tax were deducted at source.
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The USA has its own tax rules that depend, unusually, on nationality and residence. It is one of the reasons why people subject to U.K. taxes can benefit from double-taxation agreements. That is nothing to do with non dom status, though, it is quite the opposite.
 
metalblue said:
They won’t have to jump through the same hoops as you I suspect. It’s not a tax break in this specific case exactly, but maybe the answer to non dom is - after a specific period - you pay the greatest tax on where you live or where you earn it - there is an inherent fairness in that. So specifically on dividends - India is 15%, UK is (for her) 39.35%. She would pay 15% to Indian treasury and remaining 24.35% to UK in return she is freely allowed to bring the money in to the UK. She absolutely shouldn’t pay best part of 55% in tax, that’s unfair.

Hope you managed to get on your masters course mate.
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You are either domiciled here or you aren’t. Double taxation only comes into it if you are, it doesn’t apply to non dom. Generally speaking HMRC will challenge the non dom status of someone who has lived here permanently for 15 years. However 15 years is a rule of thumb, not a rule of law. In each case the commissioners would be required to make a determination of whether a taxpayer had become domiciled in the U.K. or not. That will depend on the specific circumstances of the case.
 
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