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metalblue said:
Having lived and worked abroad myself I’ve got some idea of the complexities of maintaining a life in both countries. Which points are wrong exactly? I don’t think anyone is saying she has broken the law by paying Indian tax on Indian income that remains in India.
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I’ve just done a few based on your last few posts but am not really inclined to go back through your post history to deal with others.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
And he must have held for all of his time as an MP (until he gave it up), the majority of which he held a ministerial role.

Even Bojo gave up his US citizenship that he only had because he was born in NY.

Although another of his useless underlings Greg Hands who appeared on QT last night still has dual nationality.

Why is it that there is one rule for ministers and another for employees of the MOD?
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Johnson only gave up his American citizenship because he wanted to avoid paying tax in America (How very Conservative)
 
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Ms Murty said her tax arrangements had been "entirely legal", but added: "It has become clear that many do not feel it is compatible with my husband's role as chancellor.
"I understand and appreciate the British sense of fairness and I do not wish my tax status to be a distraction for my husband or to affect my family."”

It is a shame she did it because she didn’t want it to be a ‘distraction from her husband’ and not to help the NHS or the hard pushed public services.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
After this 'non dom' loophole has been highlighted I assume that this lot will work to close it immediately? Ha ha ha.
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Well it’s hardly new. Been in over 200 years so the other ‘lot’ have had plenty of opportunities to change it too!
 
metalblue said:
Of course she pays tax in India - she may do so efficiently but that sounds like a problem for the Indian government and its citizens. But… you lived tax free in the US as a foreign national? Not a criticism, good on you, but you used tax rules to your personal benefit yet are now pissed about someone else potentially doing the same? Pot kettle and all that.

Anyways they obviously got wise to that as was different when I lived in US and had to pay taxes from day 1, only choice I had (IIRC) was to pay resident state taxes monthly or yearly and you had self declared discounts such as mortgage. As I earned in one state and lived in another I think earning state and federal tax were deducted at source.
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With respect it’s a naive view (or you’re keen to defend their position come what may). If her tax planning included full payment to the Indian tax authority then this isn’t a story. But the fact that the story had legs and she has now decided to pay U.K. tax on all overseas earnings makes it clear that her tax planning included the use of offshoring; not a good idea for the wife of the chancellor.
As has been repeated a lot, her choice to become non-dom has nothing to do with preserving Indian citizenship. Being a non-dom is solely about reducing tax liability and protecting assets - it’s the reason for its existence. Indian non-dons can also have their foreign assets free from U.K. inheritance tax laws forever - it was decided way back when that India would be the beneficiary of any IHT, but as the Indians scrapped IHT in 1985 it means Sunak will not pay IHT to anyone. Another nice loophole that an expensive tax consultant can advise their clients about. All legal, but ethically questionable for someone who lives in Downing Street and whose family enjoys the extra wealth generated by that tax planning. But keep on defending if you think those are the political leaders we deserve.
 
Vic said:
Neil Parish, Tory chair of EFRA committee says the Tory government just isn't taking food and farming seriously. And it's Patel again....

Actually he said it last year and he's still saying it. “I really don’t know why don’t you take it more seriously, rather than just having your blasted processes that you have in the Home Office that take forever and you prevaricate and prevaricate and the situation gets worse."

More food to be imported, and that's before the schemes kick in to grow trees rather than food.

From the latest EFRA Report (Covid and Brexit to blame):

  • Crop picking/harvesting—The National Farmers’ Union (NFU) reported that 24% of the UK daffodil crop was left unpicked at the start of 2021 “due to a staggering 33% shortage in seasonal workers”,15 while Lea Valley Growers’ Association noted that “10% of cucumber growing members didn’t plant a third crop” in July 2021 due to a lack of workers.16 Riviera Produce Ltd reported that it “left over £500,000 of produce to rot in the fields” due to a lack of staff,17 and Boxford Suffolk Farms Ltd said it “had to waste approximately 44 tonnes of fruit this year” due to labour shortages.18
  • Meat production and processing—Nick Allen, Chief Executive of the British Meat Processors Association (BMPA), said that its members were around 15% to 16% short on staff.19 The National Pig Association (NPA) reported approximately 10,000 vacancies across all processing sector roles, with vacancy rates in pork processing plants of 10–15% on average.20 They reported a “desperate lack of skilled butchers” but said pig farmers were also “struggling” for labour.21
  • Poultry—Graeme Dear, Chair of the British Poultry Council (BPC), said that of the 40,000-workforce needed, his members had vacancy rates of 16%, which equated to 6,000 empty positions.22 The BPC reported that due to labour shortages many members had been “forced to cut back weekly chicken production by 5–10%”, reducing the range of poultry products offered to UK customers.23
  • Food processing—Ian Wright, FDF, explained that labour shortages were having a “big impact” on food manufacturers’ capacity which was causing “something like one order in five not being fulfilled on time” for supermarkets and in hospitality.24 Mr Wright said this threatened to undermine the food supply chain’s long-standing just-in-time model.25
  • Hospitality—Kate Nicholls OBE, Chief Executive of UKHospitality, said there had been a 10% vacancy rate within the hospitality sector since the end of lockdown in July 2021, which equated to around 200,000 workers.26 Ms Nicholls said that labour shortages in the sector, and broader supply chain issues, were suppressing revenues by 15 to 20%.27
  • Logistics—Tom Southall, Policy Director at the Cold Chain Federation, said that there was a “staggering” shortage of between 70,000 and 100,000 HGV drivers compared to the 300,000 employed in total before the pandemic.28 In addition, warehousing had shortage rates of 10 to 20%, which was causing considerable delays at distribution centres.29
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None of which is caused by or related to Brexit - these are organic changes that occur anyway from time to time ...... and if you believe that can I interest you in some magic beans and bridge in London I have for sale....?
 
Chris in London said:
The USA has its own tax rules that depend, unusually, on nationality and residence. It is one of the reasons why people subject to U.K. taxes can benefit from double-taxation agreements. That is nothing to do with non dom status, though, it is quite the opposite.
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Didn't Johnson - born in America - renounce the American half of his dual nationality as he didn't fancy paying tax there?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Didn't Johnson - born in America - renounce the American half of his dual nationality as he didn't fancy paying tax there?
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To be fair, I wouldn't blame Johnson for renouncing the US citizenship for tax purposes. Not to save tax, but to avoid the US government sticking their nose into his tax affairs. It is obviously a security risk to have a PM who is legally obliged to allow a foreign government to stick its nose into his private finances.

The American system is fucking ridiculous. If you marry an American, and have kids, when they reach 18, the US government will start demanding to know about their taxes, even if they've never set foot in America. In fact, it got so popular for American expats to renounce their citizenship because of this bullshit, that they massively increased the cost of doing so.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
To be fair, I wouldn't blame Johnson for renouncing the US citizenship for tax purposes. Not to save tax, but to avoid the US government sticking their nose into his tax affairs. It is obviously a security risk to have a PM who is legally obliged to allow a foreign government to stick its nose into his private finances.

The American system is fucking ridiculous. If you marry an American, and have kids, when they reach 18, the US government will start demanding to know about their taxes, even if they've never set foot in America. In fact, it got so popular for American expats to renounce their citizenship because of this bullshit, that they massively increased the cost of doing so.
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Yeah but it was in 2016 when he did it - he was in the last knockings of his Mayoralty and a newly elected back bencher not a holder of high office - I seem to recall he renounced it was because the IRS wanted money off his following a house sale in London - $50k or thereabouts - thats the value he placed on US citizenship
 
That’s a big welcome surprise, except I hope he keeps the promises he makes like a couple of decent guns and more than the couple of ambulances the NHS sent.
He is always aware of a good photo opportunity “not as daft as he makes out but Boris you should have worn a helmet
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
That’s a big welcome surprise, except I hope he keeps the promises he makes like a couple of decent guns and more than the couple of ambulances the NHS sent.
He is always aware of a good photo opportunity “not as daft as he makes out but Boris you should have worn a helmet
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Yeah but he is the helmet anyway
 
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