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blueinsa said:
Issue with that train of thought is many see them fuck around, doing nothing and then wont vote for them.
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What you fail to appreciate, is whether people want to vote for them or not is irrelevant, if they are not in a position to vote.

This is a representative democracy, periodically we vote for people to represent us, after that they are required to do just that, until such time as we vote for them again, or not.

Your politics are a matter of note, your opinion of the opposition is well known, as is your criticism of their performance, but I've news for you pal, you and I are in the same boat, without the possibility of a vote, either at the ballot box or via our elected representative, what we think is irrelevant.

May is depriving our representatives in the House a vote, in so doing she is avoiding defeat and the possibility of a general election, so she's depriving us of a vote as well.

That is beyond the pale.
 
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blueinsa said:
Its not our system of government so its a mute point.

Not dismissing it going forwards though as the last 2 years has shown none of them are fit to run the country solely.
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I'm just saying, spending a year doing your best to alienate lots of people and shouting your lines in the sand to the rooftops really doesn't help when negotiations happen and you have to sell your deal. Bringing Labour into the negotiations with the EU would have given the UK a slightly stronger hand and made it much easier to pass a deal in parliament as well.
 
aguero93:20 said:
I'm just saying, spending a year doing your best to alienate lots of people and shouting your lines in the sand to the rooftops really doesn't help when negotiations happen and you have to sell your deal. Bringing Labour into the negotiations with the EU would have given the UK a slightly stronger hand and made it much easier to pass a deal in parliament as well.
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You mistake May and Corbyn for adults able to work together for the greater good im afraid.
 
blueinsa said:
You mistake May and Corbyn for adults able to work together for the greater good im afraid.
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Your pathological hatred of Corbyn blinds you to the fact that May has executive power, Corbyn does not.

As I stated before, being in opposition and being in government are two distinct animals, their apples and oranges. May has been in government over two years, her performance can be judged.

Everything else is just your opinion, backed up, as usual, with nothing whatsoever.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Your pathological hatred of Corbyn blinds you to the fact that May has executive power, Corbyn does not.

As I stated before, being in opposition and being in government are two distinct animals, their apples and oranges. May has been in government over two years, her performance can be judged.

Everything else is just your opinion, backed up, as usual, with nothing whatsoever.
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I dont hate Corbyn.

I want to love him i really do but he gives you nothing to love.

As the leader of the opposition in times like this he is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
 
With the vote postponed by May for obvious reasons isn't it time Corbyn approached the ERG group to guage if they'd come on board a no confidence vote.
And if they did could they be trusted to deliver on the day?
 
robbieh said:
With the vote postponed by May for obvious reasons isn't it time Corbyn approached the ERG group to guage if they'd come on board a no confidence vote.
And if they did could they be trusted to deliver on the day?
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Better move would be springing it right after they've voted against the deal.
 
oooh that interview with Raab thats just been on.

Not happy at all and rather than putting it to bed, the resolve of her opponents seems to be getting stronger.

The men in Grey suits await May i think.
 
robbieh said:
With the vote postponed by May for obvious reasons isn't it time Corbyn approached the ERG group to guage if they'd come on board a no confidence vote.
And if they did could they be trusted to deliver on the day?
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Sorry mate but do you think its ever going to happen?

Tory MP's bringing down a Tory government so that Corbyn and McDonnell can run the country?

Give over!
 
blueinsa said:
Sorry mate but do you think its ever going to happen?

Tory MP's bringing down a Tory government so that Corbyn and McDonnell can run the country?

Give over!
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Maybe. However they are running out of options and their hatred for May is such. The other point is whether Corbyn would want to be associated with them.

My main desire is to see May kicked out one way or another. Her disregard for parliament made her position untenable.
 
robbieh said:
My main desire is to see May kicked out one way or another. Her disregard for parliament made her position untenable.
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She tried to (completely inappropriately) use royal prerogative to override the HOC a couple of years ago and had to be told to cop on by the courts so I don't see why a delayed vote is causing such shock.
 
The perfect fumble said:
If you were leader of the opposition, what would you do?
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Be 100% honest for a start and stick by the promises id made before and during the ref and at the subsequent GE.

His failure to do that might not stop him bringing the govt down and getting a GE but i will bet it will stop him gaining power as he will lose it to the worst govt i think anyone has ever seen.

17.4 Million leave voters will not touch him with a bargepole and please dont say it doesn't matter, it does.

Without votes and without the win at a GE he might as well be a shoe salesman because a politician without those two things is not a politician.
 
blueinsa said:
Be 100% honest for a start and stick by the promises id made before and during the ref and at the subsequent GE.

His failure to do that might not stop him bringing the govt down and getting a GE but i will bet it will stop him gaining power as he will lose it to the worst govt i think anyone has ever seen.

17.4 Million leave voters will not touch him with a bargepole and please dont say it doesn't matter, it does.

Without votes and without the win at a GE he might as well be a shoe salesman because a politician without those two things is not a politician.
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Sorry. Why won't the 17.4 million touch him with a bargepole. He hasn't done anything that goes against their wishes. In fact it's Remainers who seem more pissed off with him on here and out there.
 
robbieh said:
Sorry. Why won't the 17.4 million touch him with a bargepole. He hasn't done anything that goes against their wishes. In fact it's Remainers who seem more pissed off with him on here and out there.
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All will be revealed at the next GE i guess as to who will and wont touch him with a bargepole.
 
blueinsa said:
Hang on, Corbyn said they would respect the result of the referendum.

They said the same thing at the 2017 GE.

Stringer and Hoey are not relevant other than to their constituents.

Corbyn and his cabinet are and they have reneged so far on the promises they gave and dont harp on about not being in power, principles are not banned when sitting in opposition.

Who is speaking for Labour leave voters?

No one is, there, i helped you as you cant admit it and come the next GE they will remember it as well.
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You asked who speaks for Labour Leave voters - I answered the Labour Leave group and you then move the goal posts - as usual.
 
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