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For a great deal of people they/us will simply be working to keep ourselves alive...to simply exist.
Always thought we in this country were paying over the odds for everything anyway but I do wonder how other countries have it with energy prices.
I'd take a punt (even taking Brexit out to the equation) many aren't paying as much as us in 'dear old Blighty'.

Honestly....I've never been a rabid anti-tory but every time I see their faces on TV now (farewell TV) I'm close to bursting blood vessels in places I never knew I had.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It’s bad economics anyway. Take away discretionary spending and there will be job cuts across the private and public sector (less money in council budgets etc), which means there will be less less spending, and the race to the bottom continues.
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I'm still waiting for an answer to whether the price of energy counts toward economic activity for GDP (so could stave off recession).
 
Scaley said:
Exactly, there was a post not so long ago about pay rise’s. If the normal working class get a pay rise, it might mean more spent on the weekly shop, an extra evening or two in the pub or a chippy tea/takeaway all which goes back into the local economy and keeps the wheel turning it won’t go on a super yacht or new private jet. No disposable income means people will cut back on their shopping, socialising etc leading to local businesses shutting as we are already seeing then less money going to the treasury. You can’t kickstart an economy if the majority of your population have no disposable income to spend, I’m not an economist so I may be simplifying things here.n
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Once again, the quote from Keynsian economist JK Galbraith about Reaganomics: "We have exchanged the certain spending of the poor for the discretionary spending of the rich."
 
somapop said:
For a great deal of people they/us will simply be working to keep ourselves alive...to simply exist.
Always thought we in this country were paying over the odds for everything anyway but I do wonder how other countries have it with energy prices.
I'd take a punt (even taking Brexit out to the equation) many aren't paying as much as us in 'dear old Blighty'.

Honestly....I've never been a rabid anti-tory but every time I see their faces on TV now (farewell TV) I'm close to bursting blood vessels in places I never knew I had.
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when I was a kid we lived probably year to year in that in the 70's ( when Britain was looking to be bailed out by the IMF ) my parents planned a week away to give us all some respite - at its worst and ( sorry about this ) it was a week in a shabby caravan at Rhyl in Robin Hood Camp - it was simple it was all we knew and a week in a different environment was great - Christ my parents even took a friend of mine or one of my sisters friends the odd year to give them a break.

Now - under this bunch of cowboys who keep pushing the bollocks we are the 5th biggest economy ( we may be but that benefits hardly anyone ) people are not living year to year they went to living month to month - then week to week - many are now living day to day - this is under a Tory Govt who we are supposed to believe can be trusted with the economy - people need to fucking wake up or starve and freeze and to choose the latter is a weird political commitment
 
Kevinblue10 said:
Well lets say you are a family of 4 each on an expensive mobile phone contract say £40 per month. Cut that down to sim only and you can reduce that to £6 a month. Thats a total monthly outlay of £24 vs £160 before. You have saved £136 a month....Now that energy bill is looking much more affordable
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Should such people wait until the end of their contracts or just stop paying?
 
Just had a break in the Peak District.
Beautiful part of the country, sadly my drive there was beset by pot-holes like WW1 trenches, road edges crumbling, appalling amounts of litter on the verges, and some horrible fly-tipping.
Arriving at our hotel, we received apologies for being unable to access our room due to staff shortages, so we went for lunch. Guess what? Virtually impossible to get food owing to…..you guessed…..staff shortages.
This carried on into the evening, so we turned round and came home early.
In 2019 Alexander depfeffel swept into power with promises of thousands of police officers, nurses, and spanking new hospitals. We were going to be unspeakably enriched economically and culturally by the wonder of brexit and we were going to be ‘world leaders’ in virtually everything. Low tax and high pay were the irresistible selling points. Not to mention the extraordinary possibilities of ‘levelling up’. We were going to be ‘Great Britain’ again.
This morning the energy price cap announcement spelled out disaster for many in this country and not a single govt. minister could be bothered to appear on any media outlet anywhere to speak to, or reassure us, or give us any sort of idea of a plan to help. Presumably they were too busy deciding which of the two liars had lurched more to the right than the other and consequently deserved to lead our country down the toilet.
Stand back and take a look at what we have been turned into. From a serious participant in world affairs, from a serious economy with clout, from a respected democracy and an admired tolerant country into a laughing stock and a country that looks to me like it’s just given up and can’t be bothered any more.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
Now say this family also has sky tv and netflix...cut those out saving £90 per month...you have now saved £226 per month which will certainly cover your energy bill increase in October unless you have a massive house. Plus you can still go out as much as you did before......
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Those people telling us they grew up with ice on the windows and no central heating are about to find out the difference between the immune systems of teenagers and pensioners
 
What is particularly worrying about the cost of living crisis is that it does open the door for more division. I was flicking through stuff yesterday and its not just those with least who are struggling. Its small business, its the middle classes too. We are teetering on the brink of societal meltdown and this happening whilst the Tories talk to a group of mainly older people in order to get elected. The Tory election is based on issues that have little relevance to the vast majority of people in the country, its about the thoughts and whims of a few thousand people from what I would describe as the "little Englander" segment of society. These are the middle class Tories who are the backbone of Conservatism in our country.

One of the earliest and most persistent theories of fascism is the ‘middle-class theory’, first put forward by Luigi Salvatorelli in 1923,and now one of the most widely accepted autonomic theory of fascism. Briefly the theory is based on an examination of the social basis of the fascist mass movement from which the objective social function of fascism is deduced. By this means fascism is seen as an independent movement of the disgruntled middle and lower middle classes, and the close relationship between fascism and capitalism is denied. With the working class close to open revolt through strikes etc, Salvatorelli and others theorised that the middle classes would side with the owners of Capital to crush the working class and enable Fascism which reaffirms their status. Fascists make people in the middle class feel protected. They promise to stop the upper classes from exploiting the middle class and promise to deal harshly with the lower classes which cause too much of a problem. A fascist regime is usually pretty tough on crime and preserving the status quo. The middle class are usually comfortable with the way things are and fear change.

To hear the Tory leadership hustings is pretty scary, Truss is a lunatic, Sunak is floundering around trying to sound authoritarian and they fiddle as the nation burns. Ice on the windows, bare food cupboards and a failing state may be the least of our worries.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
Just had a break in the Peak District.
Beautiful part of the country, sadly my drive there was beset by pot-holes like WW1 trenches, road edges crumbling, appalling amounts of litter on the verges, and some horrible fly-tipping.
Arriving at our hotel, we received apologies for being unable to access our room due to staff shortages, so we went for lunch. Guess what? Virtually impossible to get food owing to…..you guessed…..staff shortages.
This carried on into the evening, so we turned round and came home early.
In 2019 Alexander depfeffel swept into power with promises of thousands of police officers, nurses, and spanking new hospitals. We were going to be unspeakably enriched economically and culturally by the wonder of brexit and we were going to be ‘world leaders’ in virtually everything. Low tax and high pay were the irresistible selling points. Not to mention the extraordinary possibilities of ‘levelling up’. We were going to be ‘Great Britain’ again.
This morning the energy price cap announcement spelled out disaster for many in this country and not a single govt. minister could be bothered to appear on any media outlet anywhere to speak to, or reassure us, or give us any sort of idea of a plan to help. Presumably they were too busy deciding which of the two liars had lurched more to the right than the other and consequently deserved to lead our country down the toilet.
Stand back and take a look at what we have been turned into. From a serious participant in world affairs, from a serious economy with clout, from a respected democracy and an admired tolerant country into a laughing stock and a country that looks to me like it’s just given up and can’t be bothered any more.
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We could all post similar stories.

Most of us recognise the grim reality that things are just falling apart, worst of all it's accompanied with a hopelessness that it will only get worse.

I've never known this country so low, things have been bad before, but there was always the promise of better times ahead, but not now.
 
The perfect fumble said:
We could all post similar stories.

Most of us recognise the grim reality that things are just falling apart, worst of all it's accompanied with a hopelessness that it will only get worse.

I've never known this country so low, things have been bad before, but there was always the promise of better times ahead, but not now.
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I went to North Yorkshire the other week on holiday. The amount of places where you couldn’t get food after 2pm was a joke. The owner of one of the establishments said it was down to a lack of staff.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
Well lets say you are a family of 4 each on an expensive mobile phone contract say £40 per month. Cut that down to sim only and you can reduce that to £6 a month. Thats a total monthly outlay of £24 vs £160 before. You have saved £136 a month....Now that energy bill is looking much more affordable
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Well done for assuming that people aren’t already at that point.

It’s another world for some.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
Now say this family also has sky tv and netflix...cut those out saving £90 per month...you have now saved £226 per month which will certainly cover your energy bill increase in October unless you have a massive house. Plus you can still go out as much as you did before......
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Again, you assume people already have all these things.

What you’re really saying is that you don’t give a fuck about anybody on the bottom line and if they do have one thing which is their escape, they need to get rid of it rather than have any enjoyment whatsoever.

Do you actually know anybody who is now being pushed into real poverty?
 
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