The Derby Post Match Thread

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Re: Offside

Were two of their goals definitely offside, or is everyone being precious?

Mata the only definate offside for me. Fellaini's maybe. But we got what we deserved, so i for one,
ain't going to dwell on what should have or not have been.

 

[Blue Haze]

You mean that season when we were second in the league and had a final in the Cup at Wembley ? If only we had such dizzy heights this season

Yes, I recall very well. The season we got 3 points from 6 games in the CL with no wins, finishing below Ajax. I especially remember their mocking laughter and that banner implying our club was plastic as they beat the snot out of us 3-1 in Amsterdam. Fun times

Least we were in the Champions League - no guarantee of that next season thanks to our current managerial genius

Agreed. Which is why Pellegrini should be sacked. But the answer isn't going back to a past manager whose squad quit on him

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Mancini saw right through the players who had no heart and bottle. Board back them and not the manager. Disgrace.

Get him back and bring some life and passion back into this team.

Can we quite this revisionism. Mancini was sacked because he refused to work with the people he needed to work with and basically told the Sheikh to piss off when he was asked to do that. And 2012/13 wasn't a great deal better than this season has been.

I don't disagree that some of the players are past their sell-by date and need to be moved on. But to say it's a disgrace that the owners backed the players over Mancini is utter and complete bollocks. Macini was 100% the architect of his own downfall, from the day he handed his resignation letter in just after we won the title.

You keep saying this.

In what way did Mancini tell "the Sheik to piss off".

I'm interested. I also think it is absolute crap.

So go on, fill in the details since you seem so informed.

After handing in his notice or threatening to a number of times, showing a complete lack of respect to Soriano and Begiristain and generally being an arsehole, he was told to go to Abu Dhabi after we played Newcastle. He saw Simon Pearce and possibly the Sheikh himself (not 100% sure about that that) and was told he would either work as part of a team or he was gone. He made it clear he wanted to have sole control or nothing so he came back in little doubt about his fate. That was the final straw and a board meeting to ratify his sacking took place on the Thursday or Friday before the derby. There's no possibility he didn't know about that or wasn't expecting it.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I don’t even know where to start.

If you analyse this season you can split it in to three very clear segments.

1. August through to November.
This period acted as a nice prelude to the rest of the season: losing to Arsenal in the Community Shield, losing at home to Stoke in the League, going out of the Capital One Cup at home to Newcastle and nearly capitulating completely in Europe by failing to record a single win in our opening four group games.

2. November through to December.
Without doubt the pinnacle of our season. We won every game during these two months except for two: a draw against Burnley in the League and a loss to CSKA in Europe. Somehow we managed to claw back the gap against Chelsea and scrape through our group in Europe.

3. January to now.
Our record: Played 17 Won 6 Draw 3 Lost 8
This includes a humiliating FA Cup exit to Middlesbrough at home and two convincing defeats against Barcelona.

It just speaks for itself. This period now is the worst it has been since the takeover in 2008. I could accept Hughes drawing 8 in a row, we still had Kelvin Etuhu and a whole host of average players. This is unacceptable in the strongest possible way.

I just want to break down our transfer spending since Txiki Begiristain arrived at the club in October 2012.

Fernandinho £30,000,000
Sagna Free
Fernando £12,000,000
Demichellis £2,500,000
Negredo £20,000,000
Jovetic £22,000,000
Navas £15,000,000
Caballero £6,000,000
Lampard Free
Zuculini £3,000,000
Mangala £32,000,000
Bony £28,000,000

Total expenditure £170,500,000 in three years, on twelve players. From the above players only three were in the first eleven today: Fernandinho, Navas and Demichellis, the rest were signed by Garry Cook and Mancini. Any City fan who has the cheek to claim Financial Fair Play has hampered us is deluding themselves. Whilst we spend the night away on average squad players, we are releasing players for free in most cases.

Carlos Tevez £10,000,000
K.Toure Free
Pantillimon Free
Lescott Free
Barry £2,000,000
Nastasic £6,000,000
Richards Free
Guidetti Free

The club is being ran in a shambolic way by the Director of Football and our manager. This regression started soon after Garry Cook left. Can we entrust £150,000,000 to rebuild this team with these two baboons? All of the evidence suggests we would be insane to do so. The funny thing is, some City fans on Bluemoon will actually support Pellegrini through this and anyone that wants him sacked will be sneered at by a select few. We’ve got executives coming out saying we will always play attractive football win lose or draw, don’t make me laugh, the football is turgid, unattractive and lacks any intensity.

Today, Burnley, Palace, Stoke, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. I’ve actually been ashamed of the teams performances in all of these games. The players out there, every last one of them except Aguero and Silva have displayed this season that they don’t have the heart to play for this club. It’s going to be a tough summer but Yaya, Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic and Lampard will all have to leave. If it was fiscally possible I would also be binning Fernando and Sagna. Kompany and Zabaleta I will give the benefit of the doubt but only because they have been loyal servants to us and I seriously blame Pellegrini for our shambolic defending. Lopez, Pozo, Denayer will all have to play squad parts next season if we run out of money. They might not be good enough but we’ll never blood them if they are out on loan every year. I’d rather play a shit academy player than a shit £12,000,000 player like Fernando.

Another thing that has beat me down is the absolute apathy emanating from the club. No urgency from the board to take action, backing the teams performances whilst we slide down the table, Pellegrini saying we are playing well when we’ve won 6 in 17, the fans not caring when we get leathered in Europe. Everything about the club just radiates “who gives a shit?” This is personified by the absolute wankers who ring 5Live, TalkSPORT and GMR and say “well at least we don’t have to play Barnet in League 2 anymore, I was there you know!!!”

I’m losing track here but I am absolutely fuming at our slide from the best team in England, with a serious opportunity to begin a dynasty stretching out for years, to being out fought by wank players like Young, Fellaini, Blind, Smalling and Jones. Every single person at the club should be ashamed of themselves tonight and the fans should demand better by demanding this pudding of a manager is sacked before he takes us right out of the top 4 with his 442 shit.

Thanks for the memories but this side and management structure must be dissembled. Khaldoon, do the business and get rid of the DoF and the manager and move heaven and earth to install Ancelotti and give him full control.

Absolutely excellent post. Agree with the lot.

 

[East Level 2]

Small point before it all begin - thought our away fans were fantastic today.

Big renditions of Bluemoon even when 4-1 down, well done lads and lasses.

You're welcome. Glad to be of service.
More abuse for the players, coaches and Trixi and fucking Pixie when I've read 30+ pages.

 

[cibaman]

the luck they have sickens me. we outplayed them and should have been 3-0 up before they got their lucky equalizer.

no excuse for beeing so pathetic for 75 minutes today, but the luck they have had this season if unbelievable.

We outplayed them for 1/3 of the game, and they outplayed us (or we switched off) for 2/3 of the game. They deserved to win, or perhaps more accurately, we didn't deserve to win it.

yes. but it shows you how pathetic we played today. phil fucking jones looked like baresi

Their first goal was a complete fluke. if Jones hadnt made such a hash of that back pass they wouldnt have scored.

The problem is that these days our response to misfortune is terrible.

 

[blueincy]

Their 1st goal was a lucky rebound against the run of play , 2 of their goals were offside , we were robbed. :)

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore admits that Manchester United’s struggles this season have damaged the global appeal of the competition.

Considered one of the world’s biggest sporting brands, United have a huge fan-base outside the UK, and their slump since Sir Alex Ferguson was replaced by David Moyes has already affected commercial success.

Speaking during a promotional visit to Johannesburg, Scudamore told Bloomberg: ‘It’s a double-edged sword. When your most popular club isn’t doing as well, that costs you interest and audience in some places.

 

[FanchesterCity]

All the talk of our players not being bothered is tiresome. It's that mentality that's stopping us from progressing...some of them just aren't good enough and we were beat by a tactically better team today. The dirty rags were very good.

Does it take skill to lift your heads up after scoring a goal then?
Why don't we just sign the Burnley team, since they must be better than we already have.

It's not skill we're lacking, it's attitude.

I disagree. If you look at the team on paper well then yeah you could say it's the attitude, but what im seeing on the pitch is a lot of players that aren't good enough to wear the shirt. We can't constantly blame our performances on attitude problems. Look at us in Europe too, embarrassing.

I accept some of the players aren't of the quality to be world beaters. But they ought to be good enough to beat Burnley, and they ought to be good enough to lift their heads up when there's a lifeline (however slim) in a game.

If their heads are up and they are battling, and we lose.... they'll get no complaints from me. But if their heads are down, and they aren't putting in the effort, we will never know if they were good enough or not, because they never showed what they can do when playing with full commitment.

 

[CC1]

Paddy V best be put in charge immediately.

Also ,yaya was truly awful, but he's played far too much football and its showing. Double winning campaign to world cup to this season to African nations to this shambles. He wasn't managed right.

Mangala should have started and played well under the circumstances. Give him every game from here on and let him shine.

Nasri did his usual hiding in a big game. He's useless for a team like us.

Let's just get top 4 with Paddy and build another dynasty.

Agree on the majority but please can we all stop kidding ourselves that Mangala is going to come good. He was laughably about 3 yards out of position with the defensive line for Smalling's goal. Certainly no worse than Kompany at the moment but its about time we all just accepted that we've bought a dud.

But we don't accept that. He was wanted by many clubs. He needs a run of games. He's young. Most foreign CBs have a tough/poor first season. Confidence & support is what he is lacking

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

He should never have gone, simple. After all he did for the club and where he took us to from where we were when he came in, the board not giving him at least another season after the success he brought was disgraceful.

Long term he was perfect for us.

Tixxi & Soriano, like Marwood before them) clearly wanted a yes man, and he wasn't it

We need to be doing all we can to get him back in the summer.

We ain't getting a Guardiola or Klopp, let's be real. Mancini is what we need.

This talk of Sabella I hope to god isn't true.

If it was up to me Gary Cooke would be back on board as well