The Detectives: Fighting Organised Crime

[cyan]

Strange that the police officer who as arrested was never charged, no explanation given……

Probably a good reason for no explanation given - if they had any sense they started to tell the investigating team everything they knew and then quietly resigned and moved far away.

On No Comment interviews - they are fine if Police have enough evidence - it lets the accused (and in particular their solicitor) know that there is enough evidence and means they should plead guilty. (Spoiler alert: That is what happens in part 3) No comment interviews only become a problem if the Police are fishing and need an admission and then any sensible person stays quiet and forces the prosecution to prove it. However, I don't know how often an explanation that they only come up with in court is ever properly challenged there - I can think of occasions when it wasn't - but that was a long long time ago. In the olden (pre-PACE) days a lot of store was set on a "Cough" and lots of dubious methods used to claim they had "coughed" - it was why PACE came into force. I know it now feels like all the advantages are given to the accused, but actually if we were accused of something - we would want that to be so. From what I can see from this type of programme the Police Interviewers are much better than in the olden days - mind you all this technology helps - being able to show CCTV film , or set out every call they have ever made is a good way of showing what they have been up to.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Not sure it is easy enough, but if you think you can convict all these shops quickly, you should become a Chief Super. It sounds like you might be able to irradiate money laundering overnight.

Calm down mate. Just throwing my 2 p’s worth in. Keep your nick-nocks on smart arse.

With man power its easy enough. But as man power is the issue … its a problem.

If HMRC were to do an investigation on me they would just have someone follow me from job to job then ask to see me accounts for , say, that month. And that goes on.

So all these barbers and curry houses and kebab shops that are linked to suspected drug dealers and laundering money would just have the same investigation.

If a barber is claiming a £10,000 turnover a week on 6 customer …..

Capiche ?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Calm down mate. Just throwing my 2 p’s worth in. Keep your nick-nocks on smart arse.

With man power its easy enough. But as man power is the issue … its a problem.

If HMRC were to do an investigation on me they would just have someone follow me from job to job then ask to see me accounts for , say, that month. And that goes on.

So all these barbers and curry houses and kebab shops that are linked to suspected drug dealers and laundering money would just have the same investigation.

If a barber is claiming a £10,000 turnover a week on 6 customer …..

Capiche ?

Sorry if it came across as snippy, that wasn’t my intention.

I can’t imagine that the books are that blatant. Every single one of them could be flagged up instantly if they were.

I suspect they’d have to put each business under surveillance to show the books didn’t match the customers drawn in. I suspect even then, they’d try the doing some home visits for more exclusive customers route etc.

Then they’d have to prove their involvement with the criminal gangs too, which seems harder to do than people think.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Sorry if it came across as snippy, that wasn’t my intention.

I can’t imagine that the books are that blatant. Every single one of them could be flagged up instantly if they were.

I suspect they’d have to put each business under surveillance to show the books didn’t match the customers drawn in. I suspect even then, they’d try the doing some home visits for more exclusive customers route etc.

Then they’d have to prove their involvement with the criminal gangs too, which seems harder to do than people think.

A bit snipey ;)

It can of course be done but i guess it depends on the necessity. I used to know a guy who was quite high up in manc police , now i forget the number but a high proportion of indian restaurants/takeaways are fronts. The % at the time shocked me.
Same with the barbers more recently. They cant cover and investigate them all and once the top man is taken out those establishments will cease anyway.
Well until the next one pops up the very next day

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

A bit snipey ;)

It can of course be done but i guess it depends on the necessity. I used to know a guy who was quite high up in manc police , now i forget the number but a high proportion of indian restaurants/takeaways are fronts. The % at the time shocked me.
Same with the barbers more recently. They cant cover and investigate them all and once the top man is taken out those establishments will cease anyway.
Well until the next one pops up the very next day

Which I guess makes investigating them somewhat moot.

Knowing it and proving it are different things,

You'd have to suspect that nail parlours were involved too, given their number too.

 

[Scottyboi]

Alot of them ''Turkish'' barbers are fronts for the PKK just Turkish for the marketing like the bars in Marmaris that are all ran by Kurds.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Which I guess makes investigating them somewhat moot.

Knowing it and proving it are different things,

You'd have to suspect that nail parlours were involved too, given their number too.

Yep, i agree. They ‘could’ be investigated and yes youd like to think that dodgy accountants are clever at covering it all up.

An ex mrs worked at a barbers that for months got hardly anyone through the door. It was dodgy as fuck and she got out but it never stacked up.

I guess any business where a lot of cash comes through the door or whos card machine is ‘broken’ could be a suspect.
Same copper told me that bring your own booze restaurants are often dodge.
Theres a big mark up on booze so a normal restaurant endeavours to get a license, if they arent bothered then they are making money else where? .

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Which I guess makes investigating them somewhat moot.

Knowing it and proving it are different things,

You'd have to suspect that nail parlours were involved too, given their number too.

Nail parlours for the Vietnamese and their pot dealing I believe. New one just popped up where Mabs in Gorton used to be :-(

 

[MCFC Wirral]

BYOB I’ve only spotted in curry houses. They’re often run by Bangladeshis and the more religious amongst them won’t sell it but allow it to be consumed on their premises. There were a couple on Brick Lane in East London.

 

[Phil1]

The lack of manpower, budget and any real inclination to attempt to prevent a horse that has already bolted from bolting is why the police won’t do too much about all the businesses that most deem suspect.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This war is lost and expecting any kind of success through traditional means is just pissing in the wind at this point. I suspect there’s an awful lot of the general public who have no idea just how seeped into society the drug industry is.

If it’s not legalised we will still be having this conversation in 10 years. Somebody has to be brave enough to make that hard decision sooner or later.