Much as I will rejoice in the demise of the current Conservative party and especially the right wing cabal, I do have a concern about giving any party a large majority. The lib dems don’t seem up to forming a realistic opposition and if Labour get a hundred plus majority I would fear hard left takeover of the party which I think would be as bad as we have at present. So I hope for a centre based government with a single figure majority to keep its more rabid element in check.
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The end of the Conservative Party?
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Mr Kobayashi
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Much as I will rejoice in the demise of the current Conservative party and especially the right wing cabal, I do have a concern about giving any party a large majority. The lib dems don’t seem up to forming a realistic opposition and if Labour get a hundred plus majority I would fear hard left takeover of the party which I think would be as bad as we have at present. So I hope for a centre based government with a single figure majority to keep its more rabid element in check.
Erm?
This makes no sense, the candidates selected are unlikely to be hard left to start with.
If they get a massive majority the leadership will be in it's strongest position ever.
The precise opposite happened under Blair, Corbyn and McDonell frequently rebelled against Labour's legislative platform and were out in the wilderness.
There is no figure head at present for the hard left to put up as their champion anyway.
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There’s a risk that Corbyn might attempt a coup in the Tory party now he’s failed with Labour.Erm?
This makes no sense, the candidates selected are unlikely to be hard left to start with.
If they get a massive majority the leadership will be in it's strongest position ever.
The precise opposite happened under Blair, Corbyn and McDonell frequently rebelled against Labour's legislative platform and were out in the wilderness.
There is no figure head at present for the hard left to put up as their champion anyway.
Bigga
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You could have made the same argument about the Labour Party before the last election.
Incompetent and unpleasant leadership imposed upon the MPs by the more radical elements of the membership, accusations of bullying against the more centrist MPs, repeatedly appointing cretins to key (shadow) ministerial positions and a general sense of decline.
A long list of parallels to what the Tories are experiencing at the moment, and I’m not sure are many obvious reasons as to why the Conservative Party can’t recover over time following a hefty election defeat, as per Labour’s trajectory over the past couple of years.
Total and utter poppycock.
"Incompetent and unpleasant leadership imposed upon the MPs by the more radical elements of the membership"? You mean those that wanted a fairer way forward for hard-working blue collar workers at the bottom of the food chain? You dare to compare the two?
Reading the rest of that shite just shows how much you and others were sucked in by the MSM spin NOT to drag politics out of the downward spiral it was in only to end up in the death grip spiral we ARE in.
Too afraid of sensible change, actually popular with the majority of the public, because it might upset billion pound industries.
You don't seem to get that this centre right neolib position this country occupies only serves to be launching pad for far right, big business serving positions.
Honestly, it's as plain as the nose on peoples faces but, clearly, they repeatedly don't see it!
People like you and the media are just as much to blame for where we are now.
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Yes, that’s right, I’m the reason why the country is in such a shit state at the moment. It’s all my fault. Although in my defence I am just a thick patsy, controlled entirely by the MSM/neolib big business (same thing), because as you argue so persuasively, I’m incapable of any independent thought. That was of course until I read your enlightening post. I must say, it’s all so obvious now.Total and utter poppycock.
"Incompetent and unpleasant leadership imposed upon the MPs by the more radical elements of the membership"? You mean those that wanted a fairer way forward for hard-working blue collar workers at the bottom of the food chain? You dare to compare the two?
Reading the rest of that shite just shows how much you and others were sucked in by the MSM spin NOT to drag politics out of the downward spiral it was in only to end up in the death grip spiral we ARE in.
Too afraid of sensible change, actually popular with the majority of the public, because it might upset billion pound industries.
You don't seem to get that this centre right neolib position this country occupies only serves to be launching pad for far right, big business serving positions.
Honestly, it's as plain as the nose on peoples faces but, clearly, they repeatedly don't see it!
People like you and the media are just as much to blame for where we are now.
Having seen the error of my ways, it’s only right that I should say that Jeremy Corbyn was in fact massively popular and a brilliant leader of the Labour Party. It wasn’t his fault that people didn’t vote for him in 2019, and that he led Labour to a landslide defeat in a election they really should have won at a canter. It’s all the fault of the MSM, casting their spell over thick idiots like me.
People really liked him, as you said, and he was particularly impressive during the Brexit campaign, laying out a clear argument for remaining in the EU and always being front and centre of the debate. He never once shirked his responsibilities. You certainly can’t blame him for millions of Labour supporters voting to leave, or failing to hold a piss poor PM like Theresa May to account when she moved away from the single market and peddled her Brexit fantasies.
In complete contrast to Liz Truss, he was also very good at promoting Labour’s most talented people to the front bench, and for not alienating MPs who didn’t vote for him in his leadership campaign. You can see this by him giving chancers like Yvette Cooper short shrift, and promoting the real talent like Diane Abbott, whose all-round competence and quick mental arithmetic- a la Manuel Akanji - was a major vote winner.
I suspect this even-handedness was why he was so popular across the centre ground of the Labour Party, and why people like Jonathan Ashworth spoke so highly of him ahead of the last election. Frankly, any Labour MPs who didn’t like him were just closet Tories, although it was always heartening to see Corbyn standing up for people like Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger when they were on the wrong end of some mild, good natured banter. I can’t for one second see why people in Starmer’s office now call the Party’s remaining Corbyn supporters ‘twats in T-shirts’, or indeed why they were so happy when so few of them turned up to this year’s conference.
Overall, given his glorious record, and the fantastic opposition he presented to the Conservative governments of his day, I can only apologise for not recognising the unrivalled achievements of our dear leader.
Bigga
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Yes, that’s right, I’m the reason why the country is in such a shit state at the moment. It’s all my fault. Although in my defence I am just a thick patsy, controlled entirely by the MSM/neolib big business (same thing), because as you argue so persuasively, I’m incapable of any independent thought. That was of course until I read your enlightening post. I must say, it’s all so obvious now.
Having seen the error of my ways, it’s only right that I should say that Jeremy Corbyn was in fact massively popular and a brilliant leader of the Labour Party. It wasn’t his fault that people didn’t vote for him in 2019, and that he led Labour to a landslide defeat in a election they really should have won at a canter. It’s all the fault of the MSM, casting their spell over thick idiots like me.
People really liked him, as you said, and he was particularly impressive during the Brexit campaign, laying out a clear argument for remaining in the EU and always being front and centre of the debate. He never once shirked his responsibilities. You certainly can’t blame him for millions of Labour supporters voting to leave, or failing to hold a piss poor PM like Theresa May to account when she moved away from the single market and peddled her Brexit fantasies.
In complete contrast to Liz Truss, he was also very good at promoting Labour’s most talented people to the front bench, and for not alienating MPs who didn’t vote for him in his leadership campaign. You can see this by him giving chancers like Yvette Cooper short shrift, and promoting the real talent like Diane Abbott, whose all-round competence and quick mental arithmetic- a la Manuel Akanji - was a major vote winner.
I suspect this even-handedness was why he was so popular across the centre ground of the Labour Party, and why people like Jonathan Ashworth spoke so highly of him ahead of the last election. Frankly, any Labour MPs who didn’t like him were just closet Tories, although it was always heartening to see Corbyn standing up for people like Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger when they were on the wrong end of some mild, good natured banter. I can’t for one second see why people in Starmer’s office now call the Party’s remaining Corbyn supporters ‘twats in T-shirts’, or indeed why they were so happy when so few of them turned up to this year’s conference.
Overall, given his glorious record, and the fantastic opposition he presented to the Conservative governments of his day, I can only apologise for not recognising the unrivalled achievements of our dear leader.
Oof! Well, that was a knockout blow!
I'd love for you to explain why the last leader was denigrated by the media, belittled as 'boring', accused of antisemitism and headlined as a 'threat' to the economy for the people all whilst they lauded BloJo as the man to take Britain forward all along with lies he was never held accountable for?
As for Brexit, yes he wanted out of the poor trading block of the EU, but not at the cost of denying EU movement, like the Tories did that also strangled the NHS.
I happened to agree with Corbyn's sentiment on the EU, but from the PoV of Brits serving their own society by working within the framework of the NHS, which they abandoned through lack of pay to do so.
I think you've dismissed Starmer's own skullduggery in the way he's undermined and ousted MPs with his own PLP 'investigations'.
If you want to count yourself amongst the 'thick' that's up to you but, believe it or not, people are swayed by 'journalists' that write columns in papers and those those that tell them news on their goggle boxes, because those people are 'smarter' than they! The very same people that don't, very often at all, pit pros and cons of politicians, lest they lose 'access'!
You may very be able to think for yourself, but I firsthand accounts of people voting in Tories because BloJo 'seemed like a great laugh and someone they would have a beer with' over the very boring Jeremy Corbyn.
Incidentally, the 'People's Buddy' was the same labelling given to the 'relateable' George Bush and look what he did!
I find it funny how people are now embracing 'boring' as a positive in Starmer than Corbyn!
Total and utter poppycock.
"Incompetent and unpleasant leadership imposed upon the MPs by the more radical elements of the membership"? You mean those that wanted a fairer way forward for hard-working blue collar workers at the bottom of the food chain? You dare to compare the two?
Reading the rest of that shite just shows how much you and others were sucked in by the MSM spin NOT to drag politics out of the downward spiral it was in only to end up in the death grip spiral we ARE in.
Too afraid of sensible change, actually popular with the majority of the public, because it might upset billion pound industries.
You don't seem to get that this centre right neolib position this country occupies only serves to be launching pad for far right, big business serving positions.
Honestly, it's as plain as the nose on peoples faces but, clearly, they repeatedly don't see it!
People like you and the media are just as much to blame for where we are now.
I see the “both sides” argument is used across the pond like it is here in the States…tragic.
Same logic got the second Bush elected and millions of people Americans and abroad paid for it. Many with their lives.You may very be able to think for yourself, but I firsthand accounts of people voting in Tories because BloJo 'seemed like a great laugh and someone they would have a beer with' over the very boring Jeremy Corbyn.
Incidentally, the 'People's Buddy' was the same labelling given to the 'relateable' George Bush and look what he did!
I find it funny how people are now embracing 'boring' as a positive in Starmer than Corbyn!