The General Election Thread

[law74]

George Osborne is fully behind the growth of manchester as an economic powerhouse. Compare our economy with that of France and Spain. Without resorting to nonsense can some of the left wingers give me 5 good reasons why I should vote labour and not conservative?

Jealousy
Workshyness
Inverse snobbery
Not knowing your place
Sexual deviancy.

I think you may get some stick for point 5!

It is point 4 that sums up tory mentality, sadly for them the days of them sebsending our sons up their chimneys are gone for ever

 

[SWP's back]

Jealousy
Workshyness
Inverse snobbery
Not knowing your place
Sexual deviancy.

I think you may get some stick for point 5!

It is point 4 that sums up tory mentality, sadly for them the days of them sebsending our sons up their chimneys are gone for ever

Only due to the price of coal.

 

[Rascal]

George Osborne is fully behind the growth of manchester as an economic powerhouse. Compare our economy with that of France and Spain. Without resorting to nonsense can some of the left wingers give me 5 good reasons why I should vote labour and not conservative?

Jealousy
Workshyness
Inverse snobbery
Not knowing your place
Sexual deviancy.

Hahahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahhaha

You knob.

 

[DelToro]

George Osborne is fully behind the growth of manchester as an economic powerhouse. Compare our economy with that of France and Spain. Without resorting to nonsense can some of the left wingers give me 5 good reasons why I should vote labour and not conservative?

Jealousy
Workshyness
Inverse snobbery
Not knowing your place
Sexual deviancy.

Now that's a manifesto I would vote for.

 

[Damocles]

George Osborne is fully behind the growth of manchester as an economic powerhouse. Compare our economy with that of France and Spain. Without resorting to nonsense can some of the left wingers give me 5 good reasons why I should vote labour and not conservative?

I can't even give you 5 good reasons to vote...

And Labour hasn't been a left wing party for two decades so and not sure why you'd think "left wing voters" would jump to their defence.

I've never voted Labour and don't plan to this coming election either.

 

[foxy]

I think (hope) you actually meant to type " HS2 will reduce the time from Manchester to London meaning that the very wealthy can afford to buy houses in the North and commute to London pushing up the cost of housing and rent in Manchester "

That chip on your shoulder must make it really difficult to walk in a straight line. Can you not see anything positive that the government has either done or suggested? Or do you just twist everything to your own agenda. For eaxmple, can you not see that HS2 will help improve the economy in the North?

No chips here, i just feel that the cost of using HS2 will be to expensive for the ordinary working man and the money would be better spent improving the links east to west rather than increasing the size of the London commuter belt.

I understand what you are saying and without sounding like a pretentious knob but it's not for the ordinary working man. The HS2 isn't for me to get during peak hours and fork out a fortune for. It's for European clients, clients from London, to get off the plane at Heathrow and get to Manchester to help enterprise. It's amazing how locally focuses a lot of companies in Manchester and London are and this is a great way for Businesses to expand their opportunities.

 

[law74]

That chip on your shoulder must make it really difficult to walk in a straight line. Can you not see anything positive that the government has either done or suggested? Or do you just twist everything to your own agenda. For eaxmple, can you not see that HS2 will help improve the economy in the North?

No chips here, i just feel that the cost of using HS2 will be to expensive for the ordinary working man and the money would be better spent improving the links east to west rather than increasing the size of the London commuter belt.

I understand what you are saying and without sounding like a pretentious knob but it's not for the ordinary working man. The HS2 isn't for me to get during peak hours and fork out a fortune for. It's for European clients, clients from London, to get off the plane at Heathrow and get to Manchester to help enterprise. It's amazing how locally focuses a lot of companies in Manchester and London are and this is a great way for Businesses to expand their opportunities.

Sorry if I appear cynical, but I just can't see companies relocating to the North because they can get a quicker train and think those from Europe will still fly, I feel the money would have been better spent improving the east west links

 

[mackenzie]

The Tories are focused on the vote from pensioners, it's pretty obvious. They are the ones most likely to vote after all, and perhaps where they fear UKIP?
That's why the pensioners are getting a good deal from this government, compared to the rest of us.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The Tories are focused on the vote from pensioners, it's pretty obvious. They are the ones most likely to vote after all, and perhaps where they fear UKIP?
That's why the pensioners are getting a good deal from this government, compared to the rest of us.

We are all going to struggle as pensioners as we all live longer (hopefully!) it's is good practice to help them

 

[mackenzie]

The Tories are focused on the vote from pensioners, it's pretty obvious. They are the ones most likely to vote after all, and perhaps where they fear UKIP?
That's why the pensioners are getting a good deal from this government, compared to the rest of us.

We are all going to struggle as pensioners as we all live longer (hopefully!) it's is good practice to help them

I understand that Ronnie. However, I'm going to have to work a full seven years longer and still having to cope now with my salary being frozen.
There are pensioners in my own family who could cope quite easily with a bit of 'austerity' theirselves

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

The Tories are focused on the vote from pensioners, it's pretty obvious. They are the ones most likely to vote after all, and perhaps where they fear UKIP?
That's why the pensioners are getting a good deal from this government, compared to the rest of us.

We are all going to struggle as pensioners as we all live longer (hopefully!) it's is good practice to help them

I understand that Ronnie. However, I'm going to have to work a full seven years longer and still having to cope now with my salary being frozen.
There are pensioners in my own family who could cope quite easily with a bit of 'austerity' theirselves

Maybe, but there are others who really struggle the same as in employment where some are ok and some not. If you have family members who have saved for a comfortable retirement then good luck to them. Let's face it, they can't just hope it gets better further down the road - they will all be dead!

 

[mackenzie]

We are all going to struggle as pensioners as we all live longer (hopefully!) it's is good practice to help them

I understand that Ronnie. However, I'm going to have to work a full seven years longer and still having to cope now with my salary being frozen.
There are pensioners in my own family who could cope quite easily with a bit of 'austerity' theirselves

Maybe, but there are others who really struggle the same as in employment where some are ok and some not. If you have family members who have saved for a comfortable retirement then good luck to them. Let's face it, they can't just hope it gets better further down the road - they will all be dead!

It's a tough one for me if I'm honest Ronnie. Some pensioners really struggle despite working all their lives, I realise that. However, some have done little to contribute (trust me on this one) and others don't struggle at all.
I think what I'm trying to say is that it's such a diverse group yet all have been given some kind of austerity amnesty by virtue of their age? That is what irks me :-(

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I understand that Ronnie. However, I'm going to have to work a full seven years longer and still having to cope now with my salary being frozen.
There are pensioners in my own family who could cope quite easily with a bit of 'austerity' theirselves

Maybe, but there are others who really struggle the same as in employment where some are ok and some not. If you have family members who have saved for a comfortable retirement then good luck to them. Let's face it, they can't just hope it gets better further down the road - they will all be dead!

It's a tough one for me if I'm honest Ronnie. Some pensioners really struggle despite working all their lives, I realise that. However, some have done little to contribute (trust me on this one) and others don't struggle at all.
I think what I'm trying to say is that it's such a diverse group yet all have been given some kind of austerity amnesty by virtue of their age? That is what irks me :-(

I agree, it's very difficult. The problem the politicians have with this group is that those that have contributed nothing are also those who are going to have the lowest retirement income and are also the ones who will complain and say it's not fair to reduce their circumstances even further. That only leaves the ones who have been prudent as targets. Any government that hits this group will take away the incentive to be prudent - you may as well piss it all away rather than lose it to fund someone else. If that happens we are truly screwed with an ageing population.

 

[law74]

Maybe, but there are others who really struggle the same as in employment where some are ok and some not. If you have family members who have saved for a comfortable retirement then good luck to them. Let's face it, they can't just hope it gets better further down the road - they will all be dead!

It's a tough one for me if I'm honest Ronnie. Some pensioners really struggle despite working all their lives, I realise that. However, some have done little to contribute (trust me on this one) and others don't struggle at all.
I think what I'm trying to say is that it's such a diverse group yet all have been given some kind of austerity amnesty by virtue of their age? That is what irks me :-(

I agree, it's very difficult. The problem the politicians have with this group is that those that have contributed nothing are also those who are going to have the lowest retirement income and are also the ones who will complain and say it's not fair to reduce their circumstances even further. That only leaves the ones who have been prudent as targets. Any government that hits this group will take away the incentive to be prudent - you may as well piss it all away rather than lose it to fund someone else. If that happens we are truly screwed with an ageing population.

The counter argument is that those that "pissed it all away" would have done so in the local economies, thus providing employment and tax revenue, the only solution i think is either increased NI contributions or mandatory pension plans for everyone, neither of which would be a "vote winner"

 

[Damocles]

I got a letter yesterday stating that as I am an employer, from 2017 it is mandatory for me to enroll my employees on a pension scheme and contribute to it.

No problem at all, guess whose pocket that is coming out of?

I had been planning from April this year to increase wages, now that rise will be lessened whilst I figure out the costs.

 

[foxy]

I understand that Ronnie. However, I'm going to have to work a full seven years longer and still having to cope now with my salary being frozen.
There are pensioners in my own family who could cope quite easily with a bit of 'austerity' theirselves

Maybe, but there are others who really struggle the same as in employment where some are ok and some not. If you have family members who have saved for a comfortable retirement then good luck to them. Let's face it, they can't just hope it gets better further down the road - they will all be dead!

It's a tough one for me if I'm honest Ronnie. Some pensioners really struggle despite working all their lives, I realise that. However, some have done little to contribute (trust me on this one) and others don't struggle at all.
I think what I'm trying to say is that it's such a diverse group yet all have been given some kind of austerity amnesty by virtue of their age? That is what irks me :-(

Yeah fuck the pensioners, I mean they've only lived through war time Birtain, contributed to tax and national service all of their lives, they're most vulnerable as well. Let's tax the fuck out of their pensions which they'v spent all their life working for...

 

[Damocles]

Its 2015, most pensioners had nothing to do war. Some of them weren't even alive.

 

[foxy]

Its 2015, most pensioners had nothing to do war. Some of them weren't even alive.

somebody who is 80 plus would have been......

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

It's a tough one for me if I'm honest Ronnie. Some pensioners really struggle despite working all their lives, I realise that. However, some have done little to contribute (trust me on this one) and others don't struggle at all.
I think what I'm trying to say is that it's such a diverse group yet all have been given some kind of austerity amnesty by virtue of their age? That is what irks me :-(

I agree, it's very difficult. The problem the politicians have with this group is that those that have contributed nothing are also those who are going to have the lowest retirement income and are also the ones who will complain and say it's not fair to reduce their circumstances even further. That only leaves the ones who have been prudent as targets. Any government that hits this group will take away the incentive to be prudent - you may as well piss it all away rather than lose it to fund someone else. If that happens we are truly screwed with an ageing population.

The counter argument is that those that "pissed it all away" would have done so in the local economies, thus providing employment and tax revenue, the only solution i think is either increased NI contributions or mandatory pension plans for everyone, neither of which would be a "vote winner"

It wouldn't necessarily stay in the local economy, people would maybe travel a lot more etc. I agree about the pension plan which is starting to happen now and I think having access to the money so it can be spent and inherited is a great idea. It stops the pension companies keeping it and is a good incentive to save.

 

[blueonblue]

So because some people made provisions for later life by saving, they should be punished by having what they are entitled to taken off them for having the audacity to plan ahead ?.