The Harry and Meghan fuss

I haven't and won't be watching any episodes. It sounds boring as fuck tbh and there's far better things to stick on my gogglebox on the occasions I spend my precious time in front of it.
 
Blue and true said:
I haven't watched any of it. And I'm not going to. My opinion on them has been formed after seeing the way the British press treated her from day one in subtly insidious ways, and the press are by and large an extension of the monarchy in this country. If a young woman said she was racially abused, then the decent thing is to, at the very least, sit up and take notice. Not just dismiss her and call her a liar. I mean, just the other day some random stuck up relic asked a black woman from London what part of Africa she was from, does that sound like an institution that doesn't harbour racist tendencies.

And my other point isn't a non-sequitur. An insecure, bitter middle-aged man hates on a cellular level a woman who claims to have been racially abused by the institution, he professed this openly in the press, but is seemingly nonplussed that a man of about his age from said institution has been accused of facilitating child trafficking and sex with minors. That's the kind of agenda Harry and Meghan are up against. It isn't a non-sequitur at all.
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It’s plainly a non-sequitur to the point I was making, which you must agree with if you have an opinion on Meghan and Harry (which you do) and haven’t watched the programme (which you haven’t). Not sure why you are struggling to grasp this. You don’t seem like an unintelligent poster.


I’ve repreatedly said the press coverage they both get is a disgrace and undoubtedly racially motivated so you are pushing against an open door there, but it’s fuck all to do with what I posted about what @BlueHammer85 had said, so it looks like you’ve wasted a lot of emotional energy with that post.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Why

It’s like saying Haaland is sh*t then admitting you’ve never seen him
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Come on mate it's nothing like that! They're worth a fortune. Royal gossip is gold. The BBC did a live feed to cover the release of the episodes. Netflix paid a fortune for some juicy content. They will have provoked certain responses by asking leading questions, in order to get that. I thought Meghan could do a lot of good in her role, but her treatment from the press and media has been vicious and clearly racially motivated at times. I don't blame either of them for wanting out. But I don't think the Oprah interview did any favours, I didn't like her for that. I just didn't see the need to dramatise things the way they did. It just wasn't very British and maybe that's my problem, but I started to lose the positive opinion I had of her because of it. They needed to challenge their treatment but it would have been better for them to do it in a more reserved way. The British-American issue is something I've heard a lot. For many I'm sure it's just to cover a racial issue but in my case I would say I struggle with her account of things because it comes across as slightly over-dramatic. I get the same feeling when watching a lot of US documentaries (not all I must add). Brits tend to be direct and get to the point and the Americans like to drag a story out and really go back in time and give you information you really don't need.

I noticed my own bias at work when I watched Harry talk about the media headlines and believed every word, but then felt less empathy when Meghan was talking about how she felt. Again, that's my issue and I don't hate on either of them as a result of it. It's okay to dislike them though. It doesn't mean you're racist or, if you dislike her, misogynistic. You can just not like them. There needs to be a more objective view on this thread. It's not support them and you're a lefty, hate them and you're a right wing racist. We're so keen to categorise people these days.

I wish them all the best, but ultimately they're making a fortune telling their version of events now so they're doing okay. The change they're seeking will not happen though. The clearly racist views that still resonate through a lot of people in this country aren't going anywhere. And sadly, all of the work they're doing to try and expose this is just feeding those people and giving them a more politically correct way of hating them.
 
supercity88 said:
Come on mate it's nothing like that! They're worth a fortune. Royal gossip is gold. The BBC did a live feed to cover the release of the episodes. Netflix paid a fortune for some juicy content. They will have provoked certain responses by asking leading questions, in order to get that. I thought Meghan could do a lot of good in her role, but her treatment from the press and media has been vicious and clearly racially motivated at times. I don't blame either of them for wanting out. But I don't think the Oprah interview did any favours, I didn't like her for that. I just didn't see the need to dramatise things the way they did. It just wasn't very British and maybe that's my problem, but I started to lose the positive opinion I had of her because of it. They needed to challenge their treatment but it would have been better for them to do it in a more reserved way. The British-American issue is something I've heard a lot. For many I'm sure it's just to cover a racial issue but in my case I would say I struggle with her account of things because it comes across as slightly over-dramatic. I get the same feeling when watching a lot of US documentaries (not all I must add). Brits tend to be direct and get to the point and the Americans like to drag a story out and really go back in time and give you information you really don't need.

I noticed my own bias at work when I watched Harry talk about the media headlines and believed every word, but then felt less empathy when Meghan was talking about how she felt. Again, that's my issue and I don't hate on either of them as a result of it. It's okay to dislike them though. It doesn't mean you're racist or, if you dislike her, misogynistic. You can just not like them. There needs to be a more objective view on this thread. It's not support them and you're a lefty, hate them and you're a right wing racist. We're so keen to categorise people these days.

I wish them all the best, but ultimately they're making a fortune telling their version of events now so they're doing okay. The change they're seeking will not happen though. The clearly racist views that still resonate through a lot of people in this country aren't going anywhere. And sadly, all of the work they're doing to try and expose this is just feeding those people and giving them a more politically correct way of hating them.
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A very well-considered and balanced post that, mate.
 
Kinkybyname said:
there's anger right there fella, take it easy - and I doubt I would register as thick should it come to a contest, no offence - but thanks for the guidance. I guess as a professional journalist of 35 years' standing, I need you... a plumber, baker, call centre operative/whatever? to tell me how the media works. Thanks but I'll make up my own mind - and that doesn't mean being swayed by Clarkson's invective or the Markles' unilateral belly-aching. Both are making more money than you and I nailed together (and then some) and they wouldn't give a flying fuck about any one on this forum.
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Ah so you are a journo who likes to bully people with your words in print ? Figures
 
mexico1970 said:
No it means that the majority of the country hasn't been hoodwinked by those two, taking the high ground on a minority view and getting offended might be the new way to look clever but it really isn't.

And stop with the hyperbole and the woe is me already.
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Was reading through and wasn't going to add a further question, but I had to; "taking the high ground on a minority view"?

What are you specifying exactly?

To me fighting racism and bullying within an institution shouldn't be viewed a "minority view" cos that's what they're doing.
 
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