The Harry and Meghan fuss

Good post but I’d definitely add personality to the list.

Kate gives every appearance of being a kindly, wholesome, relatively humble and - crucially - dutiful person. She knew the rules, accepted them and was never going to rock the establishment boat. There’s simply nothing for royalists or the Press to dislike.

As for Meghan she’s, let’s put it politely, a little more worldly and ambitious.

Interestingly, it’s not stopped Kate from being shat on (allegedly) by her nearest and dearest. No surprise when adultery is a time-honoured tradition in the family.,

Oh I agree but I think, given like I said no one really knows them, personality is something that can be perceived based on some of those other characteristics without really knowing. For all we know, Meghan could be all of those things too. Her being an American actress makes it a lot easier to set a perception in peoples minds that she may not though.
 
Oh I agree but I think, given like I said no one really knows them, personality is something that can be perceived based on some of those other characteristics without really knowing. For all we know, Meghan could be all of those things too. Her being an American actress makes it a lot easier to set a perception in peoples minds that she may not though.

I’d say her Americanism played against her, it’s a largely combative approach that isn’t how the British establishment works. It’s probably fair to say the other parts of the family could have helped her “settle in” to royal life but with a “stiff upper lip and carry on” approach she was always going to come out swinging one way or another - it’s not just the American way but the way most of us would behave if we felt aggrieved. The difference is we also know it’s not the way the royals would behave, she didn’t.

There was probably a short window of opportunity for things to have worked out differently but once the die was cast there was no stopping it. That die was cast long before they stepped back from royal duties, it’s been very calculated.

Harry standing by his missus is admirable, him whining like a tart and publicly chucking his family under the bus isn’t. It’s a shame because they made a nice couple.
 
I’d say her Americanism played against her, it’s a largely combative approach that isn’t how the British establishment works. It’s probably fair to say the other parts of the family could have helped her “settle in” to royal life but with a “stiff upper lip and carry on” approach she was always going to come out swinging one way or another - it’s not just the American way but the way most of us would behave if we felt aggrieved. The difference is we also know it’s not the way the royals would behave, she didn’t.

There was probably a short window of opportunity for things to have worked out differently but once the die was cast there was no stopping it. That die was cast long before they stepped back from royal duties, it’s been very calculated.

Harry standing by his missus is admirable, him whining like a tart and publicly chucking his family under the bus isn’t. It’s a shame because they made a nice couple.

Agree with a lot of that. On the overall situation and your last paragraph, I’m kind of meh. The royal family, the queen aside, has mainly been about gossip and scandal for decades now. I just see Harry and Meghan as the tabloids wet dream version of it. Personally I’ve got no opinion either way on them individually.

Said on a previous comment, it’s the Truman Show but they’ve all been aware of it all their lives, it’s no wonder they’ve all got issues…
 
I’d say her Americanism played against her, it’s a largely combative approach that isn’t how the British establishment works. It’s probably fair to say the other parts of the family could have helped her “settle in” to royal life but with a “stiff upper lip and carry on” approach she was always going to come out swinging one way or another - it’s not just the American way but the way most of us would behave if we felt aggrieved. The difference is we also know it’s not the way the royals would behave, she didn’t.

There was probably a short window of opportunity for things to have worked out differently but once the die was cast there was no stopping it. That die was cast long before they stepped back from royal duties, it’s been very calculated.

Harry standing by his missus is admirable, him whining like a tart and publicly chucking his family under the bus isn’t. It’s a shame because they made a nice couple.
I don't think it's anything to do with being American.
When they came down under after the wedding they were massively popular. Even old republican grumps like me were worried, they were damaging the republican movement with their popularity. Meghan was being received with a very similar embrace to Dianna. (Clarkson and Morgan must've hated it).
Even more so when they visited other Commonwealth nations, a brown face in the Royal family. People seemed so happy, lets face it most people in the commonwealth are brown.

And then when the returned home, as Harry alluded to in the Netflix thing, it all changed. Why ?
Suddenly she became a figure of hate for the British media. And that was that. The end.

Harry standing by his missus is admirable, him whining like a tart and publicly chucking his family under the bus isn’t. It’s a shame because they made a nice couple.

Imo, it was the opposite, his family threw Meghan under that bus after her enormous popularity in Commonwealth countries. Harry saw what was happening and didn't want his wife to go through what his Mother did.

If you're a Royalist, it's a massive missed opportunity for the RF to cement and grow popularity within the commonwealth and it looks like it was the Queens consorts doing. (unchallenged by her husband).
 
When you realise that those lining up against Meghan include Morgan, Clarkson, Wootton, Hartley-Brewer and Farage, I can with reasonable confidence support her side of the argument without even having to listen to her.
Throw trump in there too and you'd be wanking yourself daft. You are a tabloid headline writers wet dream.
 

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