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Watch the Mann interview I have posted, he states he has been fighting elements of anti-semetism in the party for 15 years and this isn't a new corbyn specific issue, though it is true corbyns let people and commitees deal with it rather than him going headstrongly into it and sorting it personally is an error on his part.
Interesting if he really meant the last fifteen years because that would be going back into the era of phoney Tony and Gordon Brown. So I wonder if in his ( Mann's) view anti semitism was allegedly more or less prevalent in the party back in that time and/or did the respective Labour administration sort it out better than the current one?
Or maybe the media couldn't be arsed reporting it because there was no need for anti Labour agenda then.
 
Interesting if he really meant the last fifteen years because that would be going back into the era of phoney Tony and Gordon Brown. So I wonder if in his ( Mann's) view anti semitism was allegedly more or less prevalent in the party back in that time and/or did the respective Labour administration sort it out better than the current one?
Or maybe the media couldn't be arsed reporting it because there was no need for anti Labour agenda then.

I expect all 3, it has/was also going on for years, it was probabably handled slightly better, amd it was reported less
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47307038

This paragraph from the BBC article linked above sums up what pisses me off about British politics and has done for many years.

One prominent "centrist" Labour MP told me privately he was pleased some of his colleagues had gone as he would no longer himself be "tarred" with the accusation that he would leave - or that his loyalty wasn't first and foremost to the party.

As an MP his loyalty should be first and foremost to his constituents, secondly to the country and then he can think about the fucking party. The Tories are just as bad, May's whole Brexit agenda has been about trying to prevent the Tory party from splitting rather than considering what's best for the people she's paid to serve.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47307038

This paragraph from the BBC article linked above sums up what pisses me off about British politics and has done for many years.

One prominent "centrist" Labour MP told me privately he was pleased some of his colleagues had gone as he would no longer himself be "tarred" with the accusation that he would leave - or that his loyalty wasn't first and foremost to the party.

As an MP his loyalty should be first and foremost to his constituents, secondly to the country and then he can think about the fucking party. The Tories are just as bad, May's whole Brexit agenda has been about trying to prevent the Tory party from splitting rather than considering what's best for the people she's paid to serve.

As a member of a party, your first loyalty is to that party because it is the party that got you the seat.
If you wan't to be loyal to the constituents, then become independant, but good luck getting voted in on that in the FPTP system.

Time for PR?
 
As a member of a party, your first loyalty is to that party because it is the party that got you the seat.
If you wan't to be loyal to the constituents, then become independant, but good luck getting voted in on that in the FPTP system.

Time for PR?
Your first loyalty is to you constituents whether they voted for you or not.
 
This last paragraph of your reply to @The perfect fumble makes his point for him - that you have lost any objectivity and perspective on this subject.
I notice you don't argue with the rest of my post though.

Yes that last paragraph was a piece of rhetoric but the road to the gas chambers started with a political party, not yet in power, who created an atmosphere where it was deemed acceptable to hate Jews and other groups. A party that used antisemitic tropes and tried to make life as uncomfortable for German Jews as it possibly could. And that's happening here now I can assure you as well as all over Europe. Did you see the mass protest in France against the growing antisemitism there, following the desecration of a Jewish cemetery? Here it is in case you missed it - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47300117

Of course I assume it won't end up the same way as it did in the 1940's but Hitler's original intention was to get his Jewish community to feel so uncomfortable in the country they thought waa theirs that they'd go somewhere else.

You and him are actually making my point for me. You're all talk about anti-racism but you're quite happy to defend the racists. I've never seen a shred of genuine empathy from either of you.
 

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