The Independent Group

[lancs blue]

As a member of a party, your first loyalty is to that party because it is the party that got you the seat.
If you wan't to be loyal to the constituents, then become independant, but good luck getting voted in on that in the FPTP system.

Time for PR?

For me PR is long overdue but I disagree about putting the party above constituents or the country, in the end MPs are paid out of the public purse, not Party funds.

 

[blueparrot]

Who do you think? All it takes is for a bunch of like-minded people to start a company that's exempt from fund raising limitations slap a few candidates in on the next GE and we can re-run the referendum on a snap GE.

Any names because if it's not the ERG there aren't any big names or hitters that would be part of a leave party.

 

[happyman]

brexit represents a fault-line that cuts completely across the traditional left/right wing divide. What exacerbates it is that within the Brexit camp there are different views on what brexit actually means. The prime minister says brexit means brexit, which is true, but it doesn't mean anything more than that and therein lies the problem.

You already have two pro-brexit parties: one is called the labour party and the other is called the Conservative party.

I assume you dismiss UKIP for the same reasons I do. That's why I don't see a new pro-Brexit party springing up. There is no political vacuum for it to fill, and neither the tories nor labour would willingly want (for the most part) to be associated with UKIP or anything like it.

What irks me is that they are just straight out forming a party just to stop Brexit, that'll have a backlash and I am not sure what that will entail.

 

[happyman]

Any names because if it's not the ERG there aren't any big names or hitters that would be part of a leave party.

There are no big hitters in this new party, what point are you trying to make?

 

[bluethrunthru]

For me PR is long overdue but I disagree about putting the party above constituents or the country, in the end MPs are paid out of the public purse, not Party funds.

we had our chance to change the voting system in 2011. Not to PR but could have been a stepping stone to that change..... it was comprehensively beaten which effectively means the turkeys won't vote for christmas for some years to come

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

 

[happyman]

By serve I assume you mean bidding. It's not how our system works or has ever worked.

Yeah it's our system to go against what the majority of your constituents want, if UKIP started pushing now then I would vote for them, just to put this lot to bed. I would welcome a centrist view on politics but this is nothing of the sort, it's just a remain party.

 

[lancs blue]

we had our chance to change the voting system in 2011. Not to PR but could have been a stepping stone to that change..... it was comprehensively beaten which effectively means the turkeys won't vote for christmas for some years to come

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum

I know, it doesn't stop me thinking that PR is long overdue.

 

[hilts]

What irks me is that they are just straight out forming a party just to stop Brexit, that'll have a backlash and I am not sure what that will entail.

You seem to be a very unhappyman happyman:-)

 

[blueparrot]

There are no big hitters in this new party, what point are you trying to make?

It wouldn't need them it'd just need money, the big hitters in the Labour party or the Tories haven't joined this shower yet.

Don't know you brought them up, just wanted to know who if not the ERG.

 

[happyman]

You seem to be a very unhappyman happyman:-)

Irked mate, irked :)