The IRA

[The Stockport Iniesta]

[I'm curious mate, can I ask you a question?

Just wondering if you support all terrorist organisations or just the IRA? Do you support AL-Qaeda? Do you admire the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks?

Do you include state terroist organisations in your question?

I don't support the deliberate killing of people at all, but I do understand how wars create brutality.

If you don't support the deliberate killing of innocent people why do you so admire those responsible for carrying out these atrocities?

Lets be honest mate, the IRA knew they couldn't fight the British army, so this wasn't a conventional war, neither was it a guerilla war, it was a terrorist organisation trying to get what it wanted through terror.

 

[SWP's back]

It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

Why didn't you fall on your sword?

Or just fuck off and stop being a cock. No one is saying one life is worth less than another but I don't see him making a thread giving respect to any of the guilty parties in the British army from bloody Sunday.

You see, not every British soldier was a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians, however the same can't be said of the IRA.

The op is acting like a twat and id love him to give his glowing recommendation of the IRA to the face of someone thats lost someone close to these shite hawks.

 

[johnmc]

Army responsible for 9% of deaths
IRA responsible for 49% of deaths
IRA killed more catholics than any other organisation

So the British army only operate in Northern Ireland?

And can I ask where these stats are from?

 

[johnmc]

It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

Why didn't you fall on your sword?

Or just fuck off and stop being a cock. No one is saying one life is worth less than another but I don't see him making a thread giving respect to any of the guilty parties in the British army from bloody Sunday.

You see, not every British soldier was a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians, however the same can't be said of the IRA.

The op is acting like a twat and id love him to give his glowing recommendation of the IRA to the face of someone thats lost someone close to these shite hawks.

So you think every member of the IRA was happy to kill innocent civilians?

 

[mammutly]

It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

Why didn't you fall on your sword?

Or just fuck off and stop being a cock. No one is saying one life is worth less than another but I don't see him making a thread giving respect to any of the guilty parties in the British army from bloody Sunday.

You see, not every British soldier was a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians, however the same can't be said of the IRA.

The op is acting like a twat and id love him to give his glowing recommendation of the IRA to the face of someone thats lost someone close to these shite hawks.

Amazing.

I'm not giving the IRA a glowing recommendation, but nor am I saying that every one of them was " a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians" . The British soldiers certainly weren't either.

 

[SWP's back]

Why didn't you fall on your sword?

Or just fuck off and stop being a cock. No one is saying one life is worth less than another but I don't see him making a thread giving respect to any of the guilty parties in the British army from bloody Sunday.

You see, not every British soldier was a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians, however the same can't be said of the IRA.

The op is acting like a twat and id love him to give his glowing recommendation of the IRA to the face of someone thats lost someone close to these shite hawks.

So you think every member of the IRA was happy to kill innocent civilians?

It was their modus operendi.

They would have stuck to military targets otherwise and you bloody know it.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:24 pm --<br /><br />

Why didn't you fall on your sword?

Or just fuck off and stop being a cock. No one is saying one life is worth less than another but I don't see him making a thread giving respect to any of the guilty parties in the British army from bloody Sunday.

You see, not every British soldier was a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians, however the same can't be said of the IRA.

The op is acting like a twat and id love him to give his glowing recommendation of the IRA to the face of someone thats lost someone close to these shite hawks.

Amazing.

I'm not giving the IRA a glowing recommendation, but nor am I saying that every one of them was " a **** and happy to kill innocent civilians" . The British soldiers certainly weren't either.

But you respect their methods.

I really will bow out now. This thread disgusts me as a thread "respecting" bloody Sunday would.

 

[johnmc]

It was their modus operendi.

They would have stuck to military targets otherwise and you bloody know it.

I don't know it at all. Their war was agains the british government not the military in particular. So in their eyes the British mainland was a legitimate target - not civilians. However they did kill civilians and thats indefensible, inexcusable and disgusting. The British army have also killed civilians and the same applies to them.

 

[SWP's back]

I don't know it at all. Their war was agains the british government not the military in particular. So in their eyes the British mainland was a legitimate target - not civilians. However they did kill civilians and thats indefensible, inexcusable and disgusting. The British army have also killed civilians and the same applies to them.

I've not made a thread to respect any atrocities of the British army john.

And warrington was nothing but a soft cowardly target.

I'd swing for those cowards.

 

[mammutly]

I don't know it at all. Their war was agains the british government not the military in particular. So in their eyes the British mainland was a legitimate target - not civilians. However they did kill civilians and thats indefensible, inexcusable and disgusting. The British army have also killed civilians and the same applies to them.

I've not made a thread to respect any atrocities of the British army john.

And warrington was nothing but a soft cowardly target.

I'd swing for those cowards.

And this is not a thread respecting IRA atrocities.

Some would say the British Army did a great job in Ireland and certainly their methods have been studied and adopted by others.

 

[SWP's back]

So what's the thread about mate?

Why bring this up eh? What's the point other than to be provocative?