The IRA

talkativesprout said:
Satire.....

Black fella. I been thinkin

Anotha black fella. wot bout

Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad

Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin

Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.

Wouldn't happen

*shakes head*
 
Mike N said:
talkativesprout said:
Satire.....

Black fella. I been thinkin

Anotha black fella. wot bout

Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad

Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin

Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.

Wouldn't happen

*shakes head*
dont shake your head, a persecuted people (far worse) learn to live with the oppressors. add a view
 
talkativesprout said:
Mike N said:
talkativesprout said:
Satire.....

Black fella. I been thinkin

Anotha black fella. wot bout

Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad

Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin

Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.

Wouldn't happen

*shakes head*
dont shake your head, a persecuted people (far worse) learn to live with the oppressors. add a view
View added:

What a ridiculously ham fisted way of illustrating a point.
 
mammutly said:
It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

I'm curious mate, can I ask you a question?

Just wondering if you support all terrorist organisations or just the IRA? Do you support AL-Qaeda? Do you admire the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks?
 
talkativesprout said:
Satire.....

Black fella. I been thinkin

Anotha black fella. wot bout

Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad

Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin

Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.

Wouldn't happen

*Rolls eyes*
 
talkativesprout said:
johnmc said:
talkativesprout said:
Satire.....

Black fella. I been thinkin

Anotha black fella. wot bout

Black fella. deez white dudes been treetin uz real bad

Anutha black fella. yea man but thingsa changin

Black fella. I dont care, 200 year ago they acted like dey own de place, im gonna blow up some families.

Wouldn't happen

And isn't relevant
In what respect ? you mean the irish freedom fighters had less restrictions ?

You say "200 years ago they acted like they owned the place" this has no relevance to the Irish situation.
 
mammutly said:
It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

Again why don't you just come out and say it, you think that blowing up innocent civilians in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Belfast is justified it's about time you were straight with people on here and honest, and other members of the forum can see where you are coming from, and what you beleive, you strike me as person who has never seen the full horror of war and violence, happen if you had you would not come out with such quite offensive clap trap And I do mean offensive
 
Murph said:
mammutly said:
It seems to me that a number of people think the suffering and horror of war is a one sided affair. Innocent men, women and children die in wars, through bombings, shootings, and in some cases bloody, targeted brutality. The troubles were no different.

If an Irish child was killed by a British bullet were they any less of a victim than a British child killed by an IRA bomb? And don't say, the RUC and the army never deliberately targeted civilians because that is a ridiculously naive position that show's complete ignorance of the reality of the conflict in Ireland.

One poster has asked for clarification of why I would say the IRA deserved respect as a fighting force. I have already posted the link to the British goverment sponsored enquiry into the military operation in Ireland which concluded that PIRA were a "resilient, effective and determined force".

More than 150 IRA volunteers were killed on active service during the troubles, many more were arrested, tortured and imprisoned - so I think portraying them as cowards is much more a value judgement than a realistic opinion.

The fact is that that the IRA operated under the most intense state security regime ever established in Europe with constant multi level surveillance, routine arrest and interrogation proceedures, and a pretty much shoot on site policy for known suspects. Despite this they continued an effective guerrilla war against majority military, security force and political targets. They also acquired weapons, orchestrated high security prison escapes and, thanks largely to the continued brutality of the RUC and the British Army, built up widespread community support.

The suggestion made by another poster that the IRA declared a ceasefire from the brink of defeat is not supported by any of the available evidence.

I'm curious mate, can I ask you a question?

Just wondering if you support all terrorist organisations or just the IRA? Do you support AL-Qaeda? Do you admire the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks?
I suspect he could replace Irish with Palestinian and Brits with Israel
 
johnmc said:
talkativesprout said:
johnmc said:
And isn't relevant
In what respect ? you mean the irish freedom fighters had less restrictions ?

You say "200 years ago they acted like they owned the place" this has no relevance to the Irish situation.
I think it does to the slave trade though

If you want me to go back to around 1126 i can
 

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