a win is a win - if City win do you ask how they did it winning fewer corners than the opposition? Are you under enthused by Pep because in a game he didn't use any subs and we only won by a scrappy goal in the 95th minute?
as I say a win is a win and that leads to the next challenge when you look for a positive outcome by the performance - you just take the win and move on
Are they MP's?
I didn't judge the decision I just confirmed that when the Tories did a similar thing they got shit for it, you'll never see the comparison because you're an ideologue so it's a bit like talking to a badly drawn wall.
No offence mate but comparing your football team winning a game to how a party wins an election and governs is pretty fuckihg stupid.
The feeling that a lot on here just defend their side no matter what is kind of confounded by such fuckwittery on your behalf.
So Starmer’s cabinet contains 3 people who aren’t MPs
Valance, Timpson, and Hermer.
I think this said it best when Cameron was given a role as a peer in the Tory government,
I'm not saying I disagree with the PM making decisions based on efficiency and the best person for the job, but excusing posters hypocrisy is different.
The second point - hopefully the ministers will largely stay in place for at least 2 years. Plenty of opportunities to bring in the next group as junior ministers so there isn't a Shapps of all the jobs situation. It would be pretty criminal to let that happen.
Starmer will have to make sure that enough of Labour's powergroups get representation to keep things together.
There'll be months now without a meaningful opposition - we'll hear more from Farage than a Conservative leader - so Labour should be able to move along in an organised manner.
Cue scandal and first resignation next week ...;)They've said they hope most will stay in place for the full five years.
You'd imagine some people just won't have the skills when in office, but most have been shadowing the same posts for some time, so hopefully it'll be less politics, more actual work.
And hopefully not policy to suit dogma and the MailExpress headlinesAnyway, to cut through this nonsense, this is the most important element of Labour winning:
There will, no doubt, be plenty of disappointments over next 5 years, but we no longer have corrupt people actively trying to make everything worse. People that want to serve the country, not themselves.
Tis all but a game of winners and losers with sections of society the collateral damage needed to play.Social media has leapt on in 14 years, no incumbent govt is going to get a minutes peace from either the opposition or disgruntled people in their own party.
Social media and gutter politics what a feast ehh?
Of course, but putting capable people in positions is usually a sign of competence.
We’ve had 5 years of recycling the same 12 ministers rotating around.
There seems to be a lot less vitriol around today for some reason, although we have a couple of posters on here needing some copium.
Vallance and Timpson aren't cabinet posts, they're junior ministers, and the Lords almost always has some of the junior ministers as the govt need spokespeople there as well.
Hermer is 'attends Cabinet' - I don't know the reasoning behind his appointment, it seems a bit of a surprise. However, he's not in charge of the justice system.
They're all lower down the pecking order than Foreign Secretary, and all report to a Cabinet member MP.
All as ministers, not in a Great office of state position, which was my point at the time, and I’m not averse at all to experts in their field being considered for ministerial positions. It’s not a comparable, I wasn’t criticising him being made a peer, I was criticising their lack of available candidates for that position and I’d say exactly the same thing if Labour did the same.
I see Scruffy Jim has shifted his support to Labour! I wonder why? With Nandy as Sports Minister, Granny Ange as Levelling Up Minister, Andy Burnham as Gtr Manchester mayor and the unctuous Seb Coe on board are you confident, Kaz, that this bunch aren't gonna see if a Labour government are gonna shell out some Northern Powerhouse money (the budget for levelling up is knocking on £30b) to have another iteration of Wembley, strangely enough on pretty much the same footprint as The Swamp?I am so happy to see a normal bunch of people from mixed back grounds in the right jobs , no toffs from eton in sight , couldnt be more opposite to the tories if they tried , very confident in them
I see some people are moaning, not even 48 hrs in office yet.
Suppose it’s just a coping mechanism.
Too right it's a fuckin disgrace 2nd day and still not been round with my milk and honey , I,ve been dupedI see some people are moaning, not even 48 hrs in office yet.
Suppose it’s just a coping mechanism.
I agree, but experience tells me that the longer politicians are in power the more they cover themselves with an infallible cloak, which morphs into a 'Fuck you, we're in charge' approach. Time will tell, as it always does.Just holding Starmer’s feet to the fire. I genuinely want him to succeed, it’s in all our interests.