The Labour Government

[hilts]

a win is a win - if City win do you ask how they did it winning fewer corners than the opposition? Are you under enthused by Pep because in a game he didn't use any subs and we only won by a scrappy goal in the 95th minute?

as I say a win is a win and that leads to the next challenge when you look for a positive outcome by the performance - you just take the win and move on

No offence mate but comparing your football team winning a game to how a party wins an election and governs is pretty fuckihg stupid.

The feeling that a lot on here just defend their side no matter what is kind of confounded by such fuckwittery on your behalf.

 

[bluenova]

Are they MP's?

I didn't judge the decision I just confirmed that when the Tories did a similar thing they got shit for it, you'll never see the comparison because you're an ideologue so it's a bit like talking to a badly drawn wall.

The Tories got shit for it, because Foreign Secretary is one of the three top cabinet posts. Cameron wasn't able to answer questions in the House of Commons, which is a vital part of his responsibilities.

There have been other non-MP ministers before, but the "buck" would usually stop with someone more senior, who is part of the Commons.

Bringing in a Lord to one of the Great Offices of State, and doing it because you're behind in the polls, and want to give your most respected recent leader a higher profile, is worthy of a huge pill of shit.

 

[mexico1970]

No offence mate but comparing your football team winning a game to how a party wins an election and governs is pretty fuckihg stupid.

The feeling that a lot on here just defend their side no matter what is kind of confounded by such fuckwittery on your behalf.

Social media has leapt on in 14 years, no incumbent govt is going to get a minutes peace from either the opposition or disgruntled people in their own party.

Social media and gutter politics what a feast ehh?

 

[meltonblue]

So Starmer’s cabinet contains 3 people who aren’t MPs

Valance, Timpson, and Hermer.

I think this said it best when Cameron was given a role as a peer in the Tory government,

All as ministers, not in a Great office of state position, which was my point at the time, and I’m not averse at all to experts in their field being considered for ministerial positions. It’s not a comparable, I wasn’t criticising him being made a peer, I was criticising their lack of available candidates for that position and I’d say exactly the same thing if Labour did the same.

 

[meltonblue]

I'm not saying I disagree with the PM making decisions based on efficiency and the best person for the job, but excusing posters hypocrisy is different.

It’s not hypocrisy though as it’s very obviously not a comparable and projecting a point I wasn’t making. I didn’t criticise them making Cameron a peer, I criticised them having to fulfil a great office of state role by someone not in the House of Commons.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Anyway, to cut through this nonsense, this is the most important element of Labour winning:

There will, no doubt, be plenty of disappointments over next 5 years, but we no longer have corrupt people actively trying to make everything worse. People that want to serve the country, not themselves.

 

[bluenova]

The second point - hopefully the ministers will largely stay in place for at least 2 years. Plenty of opportunities to bring in the next group as junior ministers so there isn't a Shapps of all the jobs situation. It would be pretty criminal to let that happen.

Starmer will have to make sure that enough of Labour's powergroups get representation to keep things together.

There'll be months now without a meaningful opposition - we'll hear more from Farage than a Conservative leader - so Labour should be able to move along in an organised manner.

They've said they hope most will stay in place for the full five years.

You'd imagine some people just won't have the skills when in office, but most have been shadowing the same posts for some time, so hopefully it'll be less politics, more actual work.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

They've said they hope most will stay in place for the full five years.

You'd imagine some people just won't have the skills when in office, but most have been shadowing the same posts for some time, so hopefully it'll be less politics, more actual work.

Cue scandal and first resignation next week ...;)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Nice touch scrapping the Rwanda policy after 6pm on a Friday.

 

[blueparrot]

Anyway, to cut through this nonsense, this is the most important element of Labour winning:

There will, no doubt, be plenty of disappointments over next 5 years, but we no longer have corrupt people actively trying to make everything worse. People that want to serve the country, not themselves.

And hopefully not policy to suit dogma and the MailExpress headlines