The Labour Government

Metal Biker said:
Calling it now: Kier Starmer privatises the NHS in an "unavoidable" consequence of years of mismanagement of Tory rule but the priority is an NHS that wors for the British public. £22bn black hole eradicated. White Wine Spritzers at Starmers gaff to celebrate.
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Labour are the only ones who could privatise it without outrage on mass scale! They have been using the private section last 10 years anyway
 
Metal Biker said:
Calling it now: Kier Starmer privatises the NHS in an "unavoidable" consequence of years of mismanagement of Tory rule but the priority is an NHS that wors for the British public. £22bn black hole eradicated. White Wine Spritzers at Starmers gaff to celebrate.
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Odd situation really considering the extra £350m a month they got after brexit...
 
BlueAnorak said:
Looking clear that Labour has killed the recovery to growth of 6% predicted back in June. - The economy has flattened since the election.
O wonder if Reeves is a Kwarteng style idiot or just incompetent?
Still, record Capital Gains tax receipts will paper over the cracks for now (till they fall off a cliff after the budget).
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You can't say that at this stage, a month isn't long enough. Their economic policies need to be judged after a minimum 6 to 9mths, and certainly after next month's budget. Reeves has a difficult balancing act to do, she is counting on economic growth to allow her to spend. So she has to encourage private investment and growth.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I wonder how many of the dozen work in local government and what proportion are councillors!!!!!

And if the Council tax is irrelevant I wonder if this is the reason why many councillors don't cough up, but still continue as councillors!!!!!
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It's largely irrelevant as it does not reflect the efficiency of the Council or the quality of service delivered. It's almost a random figure.

For many years, Westminster had a very low Council tax and was held up as an exemplar. No one mentioned that due to various factors it got a huge government grant. As a parallel, imagine I was given 100k a year by the state. Would my standard of living reflect my hard work or prudence? Could I look at people on 20k and call them dossers? Or would it just be completely random?

Everyone is bound by law to pay Council tax and if they don't, councillors or otherwise, they are open to prosecution.

Like I said, very few people understand the full complexities of the system. Those that do probably work in the Treasury. The average punter has no chance at all of understanding. Not unless they are prepared to do a shit ton of research. (I don't mean ten minutes on the internet reading the Daily Mail and picking out the cliches.)
 
The thing is I sort of agree with Starmer about the NHS needing reform and I suspect he is correct. What is uncomfortable though is if I were shown the quote in isolation and asked to guess who said it I would probably have gone for farage or Jacob Rees mogg.
I think sadly the NHS has been set up to fail by previous Tory governments and also TBF Blair was just kicking the financial can down the road with PFI.
 
Blue and true said:
Put down the glue. No politician, no matter their affiliation, will ever destroy the soul of the NHS; it's literal career suicide.
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It will always be called the NHS but if you want to fundamentally change the way it works you do it little by little, bat away the questions once in a while and then one day everyone realises its too far along the road, there's no going back and its gone.

Even if Labour didn't add more private entities within the system its only delaying it until the Tories come back around.

They could be radical with the NHS and social care but I don't think this administration have a radical bone in their bodies.
 
hilts said:
He just wanted his side to win the election fella, he doesn't care much about the effects of the policies. Its ironic he's called himself Vic and has become a Tory.

He will always be VicTory to me now:-)
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Like it!
:-)
 
Metal Biker said:
Oh my sweet summer child...

To still think politicians care about your best interests.
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I never said they care about our best interests. They care about their own, which incidentally is why they will resist privatisation because they know it will finish them politically.
 
Metal Biker said:
Calling it now: Kier Starmer privatises the NHS in an "unavoidable" consequence of years of mismanagement of Tory rule but the priority is an NHS that wors for the British public. £22bn black hole eradicated. White Wine Spritzers at Starmers gaff to celebrate.
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Calling it now. You will be nowhere to be seen to say you got it wrong when proven so.
 
Metal Biker said:
Calling it now: Kier Starmer privatises the NHS in an "unavoidable" consequence of years of mismanagement of Tory rule but the priority is an NHS that wors for the British public. £22bn black hole eradicated. White Wine Spritzers at Starmers gaff to celebrate.
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www.cityam.com

HSBC, Santander and Blackrock among firms advising Labour on private investment

HSBC, Santander and Blackrock are advising the Labour Party on private sector investment amid the launch of a new infrastructure council.
www.cityam.com www.cityam.com

It's been hidden in plain sight for months. Robot Reeves should disclose if she's working for any of the above firms. All have donated heavily to the election fund and won't be doing it out of charity.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
You think? I doubt it.
The state pension is bad enough as it is compared to what you put in.
This policy is evil.
May tried to make the allowance taxable back in the day - but the outrage from Tory back benches Killed that attempt.
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Have you bothered to calculate how much you actually do "put in"?
Someone on Average salary pays around £1400 NI per year, so over let's say 45 years that's £63000. At today's rates that's less than 6 years' worth of pension.

It's highly likely that most will actually put in less as it takes time to get to average salary but it's a good guide as to what we pay and get. It's not an opinion. it's just counting.

FWIW my opinion is, it's not enough, but without an increase in what goes in, i don't see how what comes out can be significantly increased. And don't forget, NI is what people generally consider to be their "buy in" to the scheme, and this was cut earlier this year.
 
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