The Labour Government

kaz7 said:
Pips is paid so people can pay for things like carers and allows the disabled person to get out and live , it is much more expensive to be disabled than able bodied . There is different rates of pips based on what you can and cant do so it is targetted , the re-assessments are often and much harder

It is not something to means test
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But surely if the recipient is wealthy?
 
kaz7 said:
i expect rich people dont claim it although david cameron claimed it for his son when he is rolling it
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Exactly the point. There is a case for both as there is a case for efficiencies within the NHS and all public services I for one will wait till the big picture appears.
 
bluethrunthru said:
when the big picture becomes visible - at the moment (predictably) the Right is trying to hold everyone's face so close to the screen people are judging individual pixels not whats is on the whole screen
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They have taken away pensioners money that helps heat their homes at winter during a time when gas and electricity bills are through the roof.

It’s literally cash that means the difference between life and death for some of them and you’re trying to deflect, rambling on about fucking pixels?

Had the tories done this you would have rightfully been up in arms about it ffs.

Fuck me.
 
kaz7 said:
Wtf , he has been in two months and it is a fact that the tories have broken the country
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You need to read what I said again. I appreciate things ate going to take time for starmer to change and improve things, but at the same time he shouldn't just default to blaming the last Government at every opportunity. You take responsibility yourself. That's the way I was brought up, no slopey shoulders.
 
blueinsa said:
They have taken away pensioners money that helps heat their homes at winter during a time when gas and electricity bills are through the roof.

It’s literally cash that means the difference between life and death for some of them and you’re trying to deflect, rambling on about fucking pixels?

Had the tories done this you would have rightfully been up in arms about it ffs.

Fuck me.
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He would have for sure.
 
Chippy_boy said:
There's VAST amounts of waste in the system. My mother-in-law who was a single parent and never worked much, got every benefit going. She had her rent paid for her, mobility allowance, PiP, pension credit and god knows what else. I was not close to it so I don't have the full list. But she never went anywhere and just accumulated more and more money. Eventually she went into a care home and thankfully the state got all but £23k of it back. But then of course she got all her care home fees covered as well. In addition, with her healh issues that went on for years, she had a house so full of unused drugs, she could have opened a pharmacy. She must have cost the state hundreds of thousands, having contributed almost nothing in tax and NI.

I wonder how many people like that we are all paying too much money to? Quite a lot, I would imagine.
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ou dont get pip or dla if ou havent paid ni.
 
blueinsa said:
Everyone would!

It’s about as right wing a policy as you could possibly get.

Here they all are excusing it.

Bonkers.
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I completely 100% agree with you on this.

Often people see things through the eyes of those they support. But sometimes a line is crossed and you just have to call it out, irrespective of your political views or who you support.

For me this is one such situation. It CANNOT be justified taking £500 off people earning like £12k per year or even less. I don't care what the supposed reasons are, or pretend justifications. It's just totally wrong, and it doesn't matter who has proposed it.

I think it's shameful that some on here are trying to skirt around it or pretend it is somehow OK. Also shameful that only 1 Labour MP had the balls to vote against it. About 400 of the 404 of them know it's fucking outragous.
 
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west didsblue said:
Your y button is broken.
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I am not even sure he's right.

Eligibility​

You can get Personal Independence Payment (PIP) if all of the following apply to you:
You must also be under State Pension age if you’ve not received PIP before.

I don't see anywhere where says you must have paid NI. And anyway, I didn't say my mother-in-law had never worked and never paid NI, so somewhat irrelevant.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I completely 100% agree with you on this.

Often people see things through the eyes of those they support. But sometimes a line is crossed and you just have to call it out, irrespective of your political views or who you support.

For me this is one such situation. It CANNOT be justified taking £500 off people earning like £12k per year or even less. I don't care what the supposed reasons are, or pretend justifications. It's just totally wrong, and it doesn't matter who has proposed it.

I think it's shameful that some on here are trying to skirt around it or pretend it is somehow OK.
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They aren't working are they?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I get that there are problems to fix, but I wonder how long we are going to hear the excuse that it is down to the last Government.

Apparently they can't pay postmasters and the delay is down to the last government?

Its getting a bit tedious already. The buck now stops with you Starmer, you need to own it.
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Well bearing in mind the tories were still blaming the Blair/Brown administration for some stuff during the run up to the election I think it's got a while to run yet. It may be getting tedious for you but tough,we had 14 years of bollocks and you're moaning after less than 70 days.

As for the postmasters:

"A new UK-wide compensation scheme has been announced for sub-postmasters with overturned convictions.
Around 900 people will qualify for the scheme, which applies to everyone who was exonerated by a law introduced in May.
Two compensation routes will be available, including one that offers £600,000 as a final settlement and another route for sub-postmasters who think they are owed more.
Regardless of the route chosen, those who qualify for compensation will be given an immediate £200,000 payout."

This was announced 3 weeks into the Labour government, so it does feel as if they're "owning it". One thing we do want is due diligence to be carried out to ensure the right people get the right amounts. A bit like the Tories did with PPE during C19-only in the correct way this time.
 
mackenzie said:
If the proposed scrapping of the council tax discount is actually announced in the budget then I can see that being a biggie.
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Almost as popular as the WFA scrappage. Today's poll in the MIrror, "Should Labour have scrapped winter fuel payments for millions of OAPs?"

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Close call.

"And where we show that politics can be
about serving the country.

I know some people will roll their eyes at this last
sentence. Yet serving our country is the only reason I
came into politics. The defining purpose of my Labour
leadership has been to drag my party away from the
dead end of gesture politics and return it once more
to the service of working people."

Keir Starmer - June 2024
 
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hampshireblue said:
Well bearing in mind the tories were still blaming the Blair/Brown administration for some stuff during the run up to the election I think it's got a while to run yet. It may be getting tedious for you but tough,we had 14 years of bollocks and you're moaning after less than 70 days.

As for the postmasters:

"A new UK-wide compensation scheme has been announced for sub-postmasters with overturned convictions.
Around 900 people will qualify for the scheme, which applies to everyone who was exonerated by a law introduced in May.
Two compensation routes will be available, including one that offers £600,000 as a final settlement and another route for sub-postmasters who think they are owed more.
Regardless of the route chosen, those who qualify for compensation will be given an immediate £200,000 payout."

This was announced 3 weeks into the Labour government, so it does feel as if they're "owning it". One thing we do want is due diligence to be carried out to ensure the right people get the right amounts. A bit like the Tories did with PPE during C19-only in the correct way this time.
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What's this we stuff? Are you somehow separate to me? FYI I loathed the last government when they did it and the one before that and the one before that. It's a personal observation that I posted on a forum, you don't have to agree, no-one does, many don't. It's called having a different opinion, it's not moaning.

Many will happy clap every Labour announcement for the next five years regardless of how poor they could be? The same people would have been jumping up and down if it had been announced by the Torys. I try and be balanced in my approach to politicians. I have big hopes for this government, a governement I voted for, I will judge them on their record. I have said that several times on this forum. I'm just not a fan of slopey shoulders.

In conclusion, can I sugest if you're having trouble understanding or agreeing with my view just scroll by, dont get angry or offensive. Some on here struggle with that. I did yesterday and got annoyed by one poster, which I regret as it was ridiculous, my only defence was yesterday I was struggling with some very bad personal news and sadly I let that affect my mood. Anyway have a good day.
 
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