The Labour Government

What happened to that little Tory Penfold character, I can’t remember his name but he was one of those right wingers holding the government at knifepoint a lot of the time, has he fucked off now?
 
Just read the post that evoked this response from you and am laughing my head off. Wanting to see people from ordinary backgrounds succeed and represent us is "extreme left"? You're such a bootlicker lol.

I'm an "extreme lefty" too, apparently!
 
It's easy to forget that one of the big operational issues with the previous government was because of ideological warfare and factionalism they destroyed any semblance of a talent pool to pick from. Jones was the chair of the business and trade select commitee so he isn't coming at things cold which seems to have been the case too often previously with ministers clueless about their briefs.

It will just be refreshing to have people focusing on governing instead of tearing each other apart (I hope).

You just have to hope that we get some stability with the various roles.

In the ten years before becoming PM, Liz Truss had 6 different Ministerial roles in Education, Environment, Justice, The Treasury, International Trade, and finally the Foreign Office. Schapps had Transport, Home Sec, Business, Energy, and Defence in the last Parliament alone.

Constant rotation to mostly unrelated roles. Is it any wonder that fuck all got done?
 
What happened to that little Tory Penfold character, I can’t remember his name but he was one of those right wingers holding the government at knifepoint a lot of the time, has he fucked off now?

Mark Francois kept his safe seat with a reduced majority.
 
You just have to hope that we get some stability with the various roles.

In the ten years before becoming PM, Liz Truss had 6 different Ministerial roles in Education, Environment, Justice, The Treasury, International Trade, and finally the Foreign Office. Schapps had Transport, Home Sec, Business, Energy, and Defence in the last Parliament alone.

Constant rotation to mostly unrelated roles. Is it any wonder that fuck all got done?
Or maybe she was just so good in them that once she’d fixed one they moved her on to another to fix that too.
 
I'm an "extreme lefty" too, apparently!


I would argue that the extreme left hides in the working class and isn't in the main from the working class, the middle class is infested with them :)

The middle class believe they do working class better than the actual working class, and by middle class I mean the upper earning working class punching down on the hand to mouth strugglers of the working poor.

The extreme left ( The faux poor) know who they are.
 
Setting a target to build 1.5 million homes in this parliament and by changing planning so that the green belt can be built on (some always has ) by designating as Grey belt ( what ever that is) they will find that the nimbys & the eco/greens will tie up the courts and use direct action to try & stop these developments.
 
Setting a target to build 1.5 million homes in this parliament and by changing planning so that the green belt can be built on (some always has ) by designating as Grey belt ( what ever that is) they will find that the nimbys & the eco/greens will tie up the courts and use direct action to try & stop these developments.

Every developed country has problems with house prices, that aside I would support this if the houses being built were all social housing because otherwise those houses will be snapped up before long and straight into landlords pockets.
 
You just have to hope that we get some stability with the various roles.

In the ten years before becoming PM, Liz Truss had 6 different Ministerial roles in Education, Environment, Justice, The Treasury, International Trade, and finally the Foreign Office. Schapps had Transport, Home Sec, Business, Energy, and Defence in the last Parliament alone.

Constant rotation to mostly unrelated roles. Is it any wonder that fuck all got done?

It’s usually a sign of party instability or infighting in the cabinet, of course the odd one for being rewarded to a more powerful position is not such. As you say frequent changes doesn’t help ministers get across their brief or plan effectively so nothing gets fixed.

Starmer has reshuffled his team 5 times mostly around the edges with the main ministers having held their brief as shadow since he became leader. Couple of notable exceptions but does on the whole appear to be a case of so far, so good. I’d be surprised if we see any sort of major reshuffle for a good while, if at all if the polls are supportive.
 
Every developed country has problems with house prices, that aside I would support this is the houses being built were all social housing because otherwise those houses will be snapped up before long and straight into landlords pockets.

Won’t be unless government pays to build them - which they won’t although I’d argue they could reasonably borrow the money to do so.

There are companies out there that advise builders how to maximise private sale houses and prices and minimise the impacts from social housing obligations on the development. It’s a thing.
 
In short, either we have an ageing population with more care needs and triple-locked pensions to be paid for by a diminishing workforce, or we allow immigration. Call the latter a pyramid scheme if you want, but it's how the cities have grown - from the industrial revolution drawing people to the North, to mechanisation killing rural jobs. My grandfather and his brother "left the land" and migrated to the North - and started a building firm (so provided more infrastructure than they used).

And I've cited umpteen times that immigration often means wealth-building innovation. Just in this region: Beyer-Peacock, Renold Chains, ICI, Ferranti. Even in retail: M&S, and where would Macclesfield be without Arighi-Bianci?

Yeah Vic no one knew things grow with immigration, thanks for that.

Pmsl
 
Every developed country has problems with house prices, that aside I would support this if the houses being built were all social housing because otherwise those houses will be snapped up before long and straight into landlords pockets.
House builders share prices have all gone up this morning, so I guess the majority won't be social housing
 
The point is your posts are barely intelligible compared to Angela Rayner’s speech. I don’t really care why.

If you’re going to criticise someone for being unintelligible you really need to be intelligible yourself.
I wouldn't defend his politics because he is just dead wrong imho but comparing a speech with a post on a forum is a tad silly.
It's usually a good sign someone has lost the argument and as you're on solid ground here there really is no need to go down that route.

*I haven't proof read this post even though I have fat thumb syndrome and also think ahead of my typing ability
 
Setting a target to build 1.5 million homes in this parliament and by changing planning so that the green belt can be built on (some always has ) by designating as Grey belt ( what ever that is) they will find that the nimbys & the eco/greens will tie up the courts and use direct action to try & stop these developments.

I hope they do
 
House builders share prices have all gone up this morning, so I guess the majority won't be social housing
Why would it not be social housing? The government does not build social houses, housebuilders do.

If the government wants more social housing then they'll get a housebuilder to build the houses, they'll pay the housebuilder for the house and the council/housing associations take over management of the stock.

The biggest obstacle to this is land values, especially in the south. A 2-bed terrace can go for £500k near London, if even 100,000 minimum council houses are built near London then that's £50bn gone already...
 

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