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[BrianW]

I strongly suspect there are a lot of people flying under the radar, working cash-in-hand without any documentation whatever. In many cases, these individuals are grossly exploited. In some cases, they are modern slaves. They will not be paying tax or NI, and some will be doing illegal stuff, not necessarily willingly.

Any left-wing government, indeed any government with a shred of morality, should want to tackle this. ID cards for all would be a contribution towards tackling it, though not a complete solution. Like many other issues, it requires resources that aren't there.

 

[kaz7]

There is no money for id cards , if only we hadnt paid the french half a billion quid for seemingly fuck all and spent how much on rwanda. Money that could have used for setting up legal routes and assessment centres in france ,hopefully we have not actually handed over all the money yet and can change tack

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Why would Blair think this was a good idea then?

Because immigration is a smokescreen for his long term political project. Blair is a natural top down politician with an authoritarian streak.

It's not about migrants having ID cards it's about everyone else having them.

Digital ID cards are eventually going to be vulnerable to data leaks and the "security" of a minority of people accessing benefits comes at the expense of the majority who will have increased vulnerability to ID theft. And Not everyone wants to tie the documents to their smart phone.

Why are we still listening to a bloke that believes in liberating people by bombing them and creating bloody civil wars?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Because immigration is a smokescreen for his long term political project. Blair is a natural top down politician with an authoritarian streak.

It's not about migrants having ID cards it's about everyone else having them.

Digital ID cards are eventually going to be vulnerable to data leaks and the "security" of a minority of people accessing benefits comes at the expense of the majority who will have increased vulnerability to ID theft. And Not everyone wants to tie the documents to their smart phone.

Why are we still listening to a bloke that believes in liberating people by bombing them and creating bloody civil wars?

Fair points.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

There is no money for id cards , if only we hadnt paid the french half a billion quid for seemingly fuck all and spent how much on rwanda. Money that could have used for setting up legal routes and assessment centres in france ,hopefully we have not actually handed over all the money yet and can change tack

How do you know there is no money. Are you seriously suggesting that the 3 or 400million spent on Rwanda was the last money the UK had. That is a clearly a laughable suggestion.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I strongly suspect there are a lot of people flying under the radar, working cash-in-hand without any documentation whatever. In many cases, these individuals are grossly exploited. In some cases, they are modern slaves. They will not be paying tax or NI, and some will be doing illegal stuff, not necessarily willingly.

Any left-wing government, indeed any government with a shred of morality, should want to tackle this. ID cards for all would be a contribution towards tackling it, though not a complete solution. Like many other issues, it requires resources that aren't there.

ID cards are pointless without tough enforcement regimes.

The areas where people are working illegally or being exploited are already difficult for people to enforce.

Take this example. A Brazilian working on deliveroo on other people's accounts despite being banned by the platform.

Aldershot: Thumb-bite Deliveroo rider given suspended sentence

Jeniffer Rocha attacked a customer in an argument over a pizza delivery in 2022.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kaz7]

How do you know there is no money. Are you seriously suggesting that the 3 or 400million spent on Rwanda was the last money the UK had. That is a clearly a laughable suggestion.

We are talking about immigration, the money the tories have wasted on it is mind blowing , now we have to find a coyple of billion more just to do something practical to help the problem , money is not growing on trees at the home office

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

We are talking about immigration, the money the tories have wasted on it is mind blowing , now we have to find a coyple of billion more just to do something practical to help the problem , money is not growing on trees at the home office

With all due respect Kaz I don't think you actually have an idea of how much money the UK government has at its disposal or how much is regularly wasted.

Sure Reeves has to act prudently and control budgets, but the money spent on Rwanda is peanuts and certainly won't stop or have any meaningful impact on any new legislation that the PM wants to bring in.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Easier to set up processing centres in France, where finger prints can be taken as part of the process. Then, if they try to reapply, we already have their details and they can be dismissed straight away.

Stops the need for channel crossings and we can set our asylum law anywhere that is within international law, whether that be more lax or more stringent.

Let's see if David Lammy can sort it, it will be interesting.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I strongly suspect there are a lot of people flying under the radar, working cash-in-hand without any documentation whatever. In many cases, these individuals are grossly exploited. In some cases, they are modern slaves. They will not be paying tax or NI, and some will be doing illegal stuff, not necessarily willingly.

Any left-wing government, indeed any government with a shred of morality, should want to tackle this. ID cards for all would be a contribution towards tackling it, though not a complete solution. Like many other issues, it requires resources that aren't there.

It is also interesting that they are common place across the EU and in many countries compulsory across all of the populace.