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metalblue said:
Nurses “rejected” the 5.5% this year as being enough so yes it’s bad. The RCN have described this £2 a day increase as deeply offensive. JDs said they’d strike again if the pay for next year didn’t meet their expectations. The nurses will walk out 100% next year if this is what they are given.

Still I’m sure the spin doctors will add “stood up to union pressure” on the “what Labour have done” list when they walk out.
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It's theatre. Can't be seen to cave in but a more favourable offer will be tabled next year. Whether it is still derisory remains to be seen.

But expect it won't be settled until Autumn again.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Looks like the 2.8% pay recommendation for the Nurses/Teachers etc isn’t going down well. With inflation predicted to be 2.6% next year, I’m not sure it’s that bad!

www.bbc.co.uk

Government recommends 2.8% pay rise for public sector workers

Teachers, NHS staff and senior civil servants are among those covered by the proposals.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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From the Labour friendly BBC. Any news room under the direction of Davie will always look for the Labour negative angle. Look at Politics today that has one seat reserved daily for a Tory ( often an ex- Tory MP ) and a Tufton Street stooge plus a Reform MP - mostly Tice or Farage ( if you notice since Habib left Reform he has not been invited back) yet the Lib Dems with 70 odd MP's have not had a lookin since the GE
 
Brewster's millions said:
When junior doctors are getting 20%-plus pay rises, and the Chancellor describes the sums involved as a ‘drop in the ocean’, then it’s hardly a surprise when nurses question why they’re only receiving 2.8%.

Highly predictable, I would say.
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Maybe but when does it all end? We can’t just keep agreeing to pay deals all the time.

How much does a nurse get paid? I don’t know.

I do know that my teacher wife gets £29000 a year for 3 days a week and 13 weeks holiday. I think that’s pretty good.
 
Apart from a few fuck ups, they’re doing well. Pity the the RW media won’t talk about these things.

Time to look after ourselves, will see how it plays out when outside influences have their say.

We are prime targets.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Looks like the 2.8% pay recommendation for the Nurses/Teachers etc isn’t going down well. With inflation predicted to be 2.6% next year, I’m not sure it’s that bad!

www.bbc.co.uk

Government recommends 2.8% pay rise for public sector workers

Teachers, NHS staff and senior civil servants are among those covered by the proposals.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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In ordinary circumstances, a raise in line with inflation is all any of us can realistically expect. But you've got to look at this in context of a decade of below inflation pay rises.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Maybe but when does it all end? We can’t just keep agreeing to pay deals all the time.

How much does a nurse get paid? I don’t know.

I do know that my teacher wife gets £29000 a year for 3 days a week and 13 weeks holiday. I think that’s pretty good.
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No easy answers unfortunately, and the arguments around real pay erosion are of course entirely dependent on the timeframe in question.

But the government’s actions in relation to junior doctors have greatly complicated the situation.

The comment from Reeves in particular - regarding the cost of industrial action across the NHS - and tacitly acknowledging the junior doctor pay demands based on a flawed inflation measure, were reckless.

But then of course it suited the Labour Party for junior doctors to be on strike in the lead up to the election, so it’s not that surprising that such a generous deal was struck so quickly once they got into power.
 
Brewster's millions said:
No easy answers unfortunately, and the arguments around real pay erosion are of course entirely dependent on the timeframe in question.

But the government’s actions in relation to junior doctors have greatly complicated the situation.

The comment from Reeves in particular - regarding the cost of industrial action across the NHS - and tacitly acknowledging the junior doctor pay demands based on a flawed inflation measure, were reckless.

But then of course it suited the Labour Party for junior doctors to be on strike in the lead up to the election, so it’s not that surprising that such a generous deal was struck so quickly once they got into power.
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Exactly this mate. There was an understanding in the NHS that most were underpaid, the collective if you like, but as soon as the JDs were given 22% there was outrage from nurses and that unspoken collective was broken.

If Reeves, Streeting or Starmer underestimate the outrage with nurses right now they are in for a rude awakening. As @Mr Kobayashi says hopefully it’s all just a bit of theatre and it gets settled in time but nurses striking on a labour’s government watch is going to put to bed this notion that Labour are the “party” of the NHS.
 
bluethrunthru said:
so the last Govt cancelled their own flights and now Lbour got theirs off - but they are all the same eh?

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Great to see the big awakening and you and others celebrating the kicking out of “forriners” as you like to put it all the time.

Well done Labour btw, a positive step in the right direction regarding illegals in this country.
 
Bad news for all the Reeves-haters: the pound is now at its highest level against the euro since the Brexit referendum
 
metalblue said:
Exactly this mate. There was an understanding in the NHS that most were underpaid, the collective if you like, but as soon as the JDs were given 22% there was outrage from nurses and that unspoken collective was broken.

If Reeves, Streeting or Starmer underestimate the outrage with nurses right now they are in for a rude awakening. As @Mr Kobayashi says hopefully it’s all just a bit of theatre and it gets settled in time but nurses striking on a labour’s government watch is going to put to bed this notion that Labour are the “party” of the NHS.
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As part of a project I've been working on I had cause to look at the bandings across a variety of NHS roles covering nursing, allied health professionals, admin and a few other job families. What you had to do in terms of training, accountability and working conditions to earn a crust as a nurse relative to some other jobs was quite revealing and somewhat disturbing. As laudable as the (seeming) focus of next year's new workforce plan is, unless they tackle the stabilisation of some areas, and that includes nursing, it's hard see how they have any chance of executing it.
 


I’m all for new houses being built, but I do wonder how many of these houses will actually be affordable?

The other issues I’ve seen in some of the new builds is there hasn’t been any thought around infrastructure. With more people we need more schools, better roads, more docotor appointments available. This just hasn’t happened with a lot of builds.

There’s some near me that were built on flood plains, that have been flooded a few times and caused flooding further down.

The elephant in the room is immigration. Even if we build 1.5 million houses we won’t be able to keep up with the number of new arrivals. It’s a bit of a never ending cycle where supply never meets the demand, which then pushes up prices.
 
threespires said:
As part of a project I've been working on I had cause to look at the bandings across a variety of NHS roles covering nursing, allied health professionals, admin and a few other job families. What you had to do in terms of training, accountability and working conditions to earn a crust as a nurse relative to some other jobs was quite revealing and somewhat disturbing. As laudable as the (seeming) focus of next year's new workforce plan is, unless they tackle the stabilisation of some areas, and that includes nursing, it's hard see how they have any chance of executing it.
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That’s very interesting. The RCN have been trying to get a different pay spine for nurses on AfC but unison don’t agree with it, any nursing spine should include HCA’s IMHO but there does need to be a starker gap between qualified and unqualified pay rates. Some HCAs are APs and they should be better rewarded than non APs - I know of one who is paid as a band 5 (qualified) but that’s going a bit too far IMHO.

On top of that they need to enforce criteria for bandings - eg a band 7 should have or be working towards a masters, many don’t and aren’t. I’d also enforce all trusts to deband retire / returns to top of band 5 - the number who block progress for staff is staggering where their trust allows them to retire on a Friday and return to the same job / band on a Monday.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:


I’m all for new houses being built, but I do wonder how many of these houses will actually be affordable?

The other issues I’ve seen in some of the new builds is there hasn’t been any thought around infrastructure. With more people we need more schools, better roads, more docotor appointments available. This just hasn’t happened with a lot of builds.

There’s some near me that were built on flood plains, that have been flooded a few times and caused flooding further down.

The elephant in the room is immigration. Even if we build 1.5 million houses we won’t be able to keep up with the number of new arrivals. It’s a bit of a never ending cycle where supply never meets the demand, which then pushes up prices.
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The elephant in the room is banks. The need to give them a huge deposit stymies the young unless they have parents to borrow off.
 
stonerblue said:
The elephant in the room is banks. The need to give them a huge deposit stymies the young unless they have parents to borrow off.
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Banks are now offering only 5% deposit for mortgages (Nationwide for instance). Take a starter home/flat in the north, say £200k (yes you wont get a fancy area but you have to start somewhere), thats 10k deposit. With the LISA, 2 people saving 4k each and topped up by the government can have 10k is a year. For kids still living at home and working full time that should be pretty easy to do, if they cant then they really dont have much chance of maintaining a house and paying the bills.

I appreciate that many kids after university for instance, dont want to go back home, but thats the sensible thing to do, even if it means taking a lower wage and its not their dream job.

The real issue is for those who can't live at home due to family issues/brought up in care. Those circumstances I agree would make it very tough.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:


I’m all for new houses being built, but I do wonder how many of these houses will actually be affordable?

The other issues I’ve seen in some of the new builds is there hasn’t been any thought around infrastructure. With more people we need more schools, better roads, more docotor appointments available. This just hasn’t happened with a lot of builds.

There’s some near me that were built on flood plains, that have been flooded a few times and caused flooding further down.

The elephant in the room is immigration. Even if we build 1.5 million houses we won’t be able to keep up with the number of new arrivals. It’s a bit of a never ending cycle where supply never meets the demand, which then pushes up prices.
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I watched the BBC news earlier with some NIMBY's in Kent arguing that such a development should not happen near their town - then one woman said "how many of them will be affordable rental homes" - I agree with her but also feel a proposal to provide that will ignite her touchpaper even more
 
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