The Labour Government

I remember a broadcast the other year where a couple of tory ministers stated, " too many people are carrying too much money in their bank accounts due to covid. They would be redressing this by recouping it by an increase in energy prices. Firstly, what have private companies got to do with the government. Secondly it's a move to disaster regarding inflation. No surprise it's gone tits up.
It seems we are conditioned to accept constant aggressive hikes in energy prices. The energy corporates taking the pain in terms of an impact to their vast (and ever increasing) profits never seems to be on the table.
 
It would appear that like Johnson before him our Prime Minister has become distracted by "Events". Johnson had Brexit, Covid and Ukraine to occupy him and as we know, he fatally took his eye off the ball on almost everything else, most domestic policy turned to shit. Now Starmer also has Ukraine and like Johnson, Starmer appears to be happier playing the role of international statesman than dealing with our domestic issues . I do hope he will not make the same mistake as Johnson but the signs aren't good. UK news and political discourse is nothing but Ukraine, even the BlueMoon Labour Party thread has dried up. It is worth comparing this to Trump and the US where his domestic policy agenda and newsfeed remains at full throttle.
It is not as if there is nothing else going on , the economy continues to nosedive, it is only four weeks until we feel the full force of Reeves' negative budget, small boats crisis is getting worse etc etc
I am not suggesting Ukraine does not deserve his full attention but he needs his front bench to step up and start driving / explaining the domestic agenda.
Starmer has handled himself reasonably well on Ukraine thus far ( though may turn out to be a car crash for him ) but
it feels like Ukraine will be used to re-shape policy to cover previous failures e.g. Increased defence spending will allow Reeves the cover for more tax rises to cover for the coming fact that she will not receive the taxes she expected she would receive from her budget. Defence spending will be the new Black Hole. Watch this space.
Unlike Johnson, this government isn’t short of people who can actually do their jobs. It’s called delegation, that neither Johnson or his acolytes could do, and that why fuck all ever got done.
 
Unlike Johnson, this government isn’t short of people who can actually do their jobs. It’s called delegation, that neither Johnson or his acolytes could do, and that why fuck all ever got done.
Really ? I cannot begin to understand why you might believe that.
Where to begin ?
Reeves as Chancellor, let's not start on the detail of her C.V. but suffice to say she is patently under qualified for the job and to date has performed disastrously, we have yet to see the full impact of her ill construed and naive budget but its coming , I will be amazed if she gets to the end of this parliament in position.

Lammy as Foreign Secretary, our top diplomat. Did anyone see Lammy during the election campaign ? No, Starmer may as well have locked him in a cupboard for the duration for he was kept well away from the electorate. Why - because diplomacy is just not his thing ! he could not be trusted not to put his foot in his mouth and scare the electorate and yet here he - our top diplomat! So far an absolute liability, Chagos, his previous brainless utterings coming out of the woodwork on everything from Trump to Slavery reparations - frankly embarrassing . The ultimate diversity hire.

Rayner as Deputy PM. There is nothing wrong with working in Social care but does it prepare you to sort the countries planning laws and deliver house building programmes or deliver balanced employment law? I would suggest not. Its not been a promising start, the housebuilding industry and trade bodies say her plans just simply will not be delivered and employers are up in arms about her employment legislation and every indication suggests it will be severely watered down. Lets all pray Starmer remains in good health and doesn't go on holiday for more than a long weekend.

Reynolds as Business secretary, who has what experience in business ? of course - absolutely none ! Though he was a solicitor, sorry no he wasn't . What has he done in the real world - next to fuck all. Currently in hiding in case anyone wants to ask him a question about impersonating a solicitor but before that shown himself completely out of touch with the private sector. For example whilst the rest of the world led by its largest banks and businesses are well on the way to rolling back WFH, Reynolds continues to champion it despite our appalling productivity numbers especially in the public sector which is all he knows about.

I can't go through them all but you get the idea, they have no grounding or experience of their briefs ( to be fair Tulip Siddiq did know plenty about corruption) and it shows.

I don't know about this parliament but in the last one only around 5% of Labour MPs had a business / commerce background, there is no reason to believe it will be any more this time around and I suppose in those circumstances Reeves may look well qualified . The reality is Labour MPs these days are career politicians who have worked they way through public sector , charity and political organisations with little experience of the commercial sector and little regard for their working class constituents. Devotion to a fixed world view and the currency of virtue signalling is the their most highly valued qualification .

How you believe this makes them capable of the offices of state I don't know. Look them up. If you were doing the hiring for ministerial jobs and their CVs were on your desk you wouldn't even call most of them for interview.
 
Really ? I cannot begin to understand why you might believe that.
Where to begin ?
Reeves as Chancellor, let's not start on the detail of her C.V. but suffice to say she is patently under qualified for the job and to date has performed disastrously, we have yet to see the full impact of her ill construed and naive budget but its coming , I will be amazed if she gets to the end of this parliament in position.

Lammy as Foreign Secretary, our top diplomat. Did anyone see Lammy during the election campaign ? No, Starmer may as well have locked him in a cupboard for the duration for he was kept well away from the electorate. Why - because diplomacy is just not his thing ! he could not be trusted not to put his foot in his mouth and scare the electorate and yet here he - our top diplomat! So far an absolute liability, Chagos, his previous brainless utterings coming out of the woodwork on everything from Trump to Slavery reparations - frankly embarrassing . The ultimate diversity hire.

Rayner as Deputy PM. There is nothing wrong with working in Social care but does it prepare you to sort the countries planning laws and deliver house building programmes or deliver balanced employment law? I would suggest not. Its not been a promising start, the housebuilding industry and trade bodies say her plans just simply will not be delivered and employers are up in arms about her employment legislation and every indication suggests it will be severely watered down. Lets all pray Starmer remains in good health and doesn't go on holiday for more than a long weekend.

Reynolds as Business secretary, who has what experience in business ? of course - absolutely none ! Though he was a solicitor, sorry no he wasn't . What has he done in the real world - next to fuck all. Currently in hiding in case anyone wants to ask him a question about impersonating a solicitor but before that shown himself completely out of touch with the private sector. For example whilst the rest of the world led by its largest banks and businesses are well on the way to rolling back WFH, Reynolds continues to champion it despite our appalling productivity numbers especially in the public sector which is all he knows about.

I can't go through them all but you get the idea, they have no grounding or experience of their briefs ( to be fair Tulip Siddiq did know plenty about corruption) and it shows.

I don't know about this parliament but in the last one only around 5% of Labour MPs had a business / commerce background, there is no reason to believe it will be any more this time around and I suppose in those circumstances Reeves may look well qualified . The reality is Labour MPs these days are career politicians who have worked they way through public sector , charity and political organisations with little experience of the commercial sector and little regard for their working class constituents. Devotion to a fixed world view and the currency of virtue signalling is the their most highly valued qualification .

How you believe this makes them capable of the offices of state I don't know. Look them up. If you were doing the hiring for ministerial jobs and their CVs were on your desk you wouldn't even call most of them for interview.
Fabulous summary. Post of the week (so far).

Really does hit the nail bang on the head.

Well done @Hertzblue !!
 
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Really ? I cannot begin to understand why you might believe that.
Where to begin ?
Reeves as Chancellor, let's not start on the detail of her C.V. but suffice to say she is patently under qualified for the job and to date has performed disastrously, we have yet to see the full impact of her ill construed and naive budget but its coming , I will be amazed if she gets to the end of this parliament in position.

Lammy as Foreign Secretary, our top diplomat. Did anyone see Lammy during the election campaign ? No, Starmer may as well have locked him in a cupboard for the duration for he was kept well away from the electorate. Why - because diplomacy is just not his thing ! he could not be trusted not to put his foot in his mouth and scare the electorate and yet here he - our top diplomat! So far an absolute liability, Chagos, his previous brainless utterings coming out of the woodwork on everything from Trump to Slavery reparations - frankly embarrassing . The ultimate diversity hire.

Rayner as Deputy PM. There is nothing wrong with working in Social care but does it prepare you to sort the countries planning laws and deliver house building programmes or deliver balanced employment law? I would suggest not. Its not been a promising start, the housebuilding industry and trade bodies say her plans just simply will not be delivered and employers are up in arms about her employment legislation and every indication suggests it will be severely watered down. Lets all pray Starmer remains in good health and doesn't go on holiday for more than a long weekend.

Reynolds as Business secretary, who has what experience in business ? of course - absolutely none ! Though he was a solicitor, sorry no he wasn't . What has he done in the real world - next to fuck all. Currently in hiding in case anyone wants to ask him a question about impersonating a solicitor but before that shown himself completely out of touch with the private sector. For example whilst the rest of the world led by its largest banks and businesses are well on the way to rolling back WFH, Reynolds continues to champion it despite our appalling productivity numbers especially in the public sector which is all he knows about.

I can't go through them all but you get the idea, they have no grounding or experience of their briefs ( to be fair Tulip Siddiq did know plenty about corruption) and it shows.

I don't know about this parliament but in the last one only around 5% of Labour MPs had a business / commerce background, there is no reason to believe it will be any more this time around and I suppose in those circumstances Reeves may look well qualified . The reality is Labour MPs these days are career politicians who have worked they way through public sector , charity and political organisations with little experience of the commercial sector and little regard for their working class constituents. Devotion to a fixed world view and the currency of virtue signalling is the their most highly valued qualification .

How you believe this makes them capable of the offices of state I don't know. Look them up. If you were doing the hiring for ministerial jobs and their CVs were on your desk you wouldn't even call most of them for interview.
You’ve not seen any of the policies going through?

Probably not.
 
Really ? I cannot begin to understand why you might believe that.
Where to begin ?
Reeves as Chancellor, let's not start on the detail of her C.V. but suffice to say she is patently under qualified for the job and to date has performed disastrously, we have yet to see the full impact of her ill construed and naive budget but its coming , I will be amazed if she gets to the end of this parliament in position.

Lammy as Foreign Secretary, our top diplomat. Did anyone see Lammy during the election campaign ? No, Starmer may as well have locked him in a cupboard for the duration for he was kept well away from the electorate. Why - because diplomacy is just not his thing ! he could not be trusted not to put his foot in his mouth and scare the electorate and yet here he - our top diplomat! So far an absolute liability, Chagos, his previous brainless utterings coming out of the woodwork on everything from Trump to Slavery reparations - frankly embarrassing . The ultimate diversity hire.

Rayner as Deputy PM. There is nothing wrong with working in Social care but does it prepare you to sort the countries planning laws and deliver house building programmes or deliver balanced employment law? I would suggest not. Its not been a promising start, the housebuilding industry and trade bodies say her plans just simply will not be delivered and employers are up in arms about her employment legislation and every indication suggests it will be severely watered down. Lets all pray Starmer remains in good health and doesn't go on holiday for more than a long weekend.

Reynolds as Business secretary, who has what experience in business ? of course - absolutely none ! Though he was a solicitor, sorry no he wasn't . What has he done in the real world - next to fuck all. Currently in hiding in case anyone wants to ask him a question about impersonating a solicitor but before that shown himself completely out of touch with the private sector. For example whilst the rest of the world led by its largest banks and businesses are well on the way to rolling back WFH, Reynolds continues to champion it despite our appalling productivity numbers especially in the public sector which is all he knows about.

I can't go through them all but you get the idea, they have no grounding or experience of their briefs ( to be fair Tulip Siddiq did know plenty about corruption) and it shows.

I don't know about this parliament but in the last one only around 5% of Labour MPs had a business / commerce background, there is no reason to believe it will be any more this time around and I suppose in those circumstances Reeves may look well qualified . The reality is Labour MPs these days are career politicians who have worked they way through public sector , charity and political organisations with little experience of the commercial sector and little regard for their working class constituents. Devotion to a fixed world view and the currency of virtue signalling is the their most highly valued qualification .

How you believe this makes them capable of the offices of state I don't know. Look them up. If you were doing the hiring for ministerial jobs and their CVs were on your desk you wouldn't even call most of them for interview.
I think you misunderstand the roles of politicians, particularly ministers. Ministers provide guidance and strategic direction for their departments. They are surrounded by experts. For example, there will be several senior managers who are experts with substantial experience across economics, banking and finance, with specialists in specific issues in those areas of work. The same in the Housing,Communities and Local Government. Do you think Ministers write the technical elements of policy? Haha

What qualifications and experience should, for example, the Chancellor and Deputy PM have?
 
I don't know about this parliament but in the last one only around 5% of Labour MPs had a business / commerce background,

I am sure if I asked you who is your favourite PM/Politician you'd respond with " Sir Winston Churchill ". Tell me about his background in business / commerce. I'll wait.
 
I think you misunderstand the roles of politicians, particularly ministers. Ministers provide guidance and strategic direction for their departments. They are surrounded by experts. For example, there will be several senior managers who are experts with substantial experience across economics, banking and finance, with specialists in specific issues in those areas of work. The same in the Housing,Communities and Local Government. Do you think Ministers write the technical elements of policy? Haha

What qualifications and experience should, for example, the Chancellor and Deputy PM have?
No I don't misunderstand at all. I think you may need to read my post again. You will see that I have given examples of the " guidance" given by the ministers I have mentioned, I understand that the policy detail will written by the civil servants. The point is that ' guidance" given by said ministers and written into policy does not survive contact with reality as per the examples in my post . The reason for that is these ministers do not have real world experience before entering parliament. Alos I do not share your confidence in the " experts" in Whitehall. They share the same traits.
 
I am sure if I asked you who is your favourite PM/Politician you'd respond with " Sir Winston Churchill ". Tell me about his background in business / commerce. I'll wait.
Wtf is this ?
Who mentioned Churchill ? Why would you think he was my favourite politician ? Did I say all politicians should have a background in business / commerce ?
This is like a form of non-verbal Tourettes! Maybe a new condition brought on by too much time on online forums.

However to humour you,Churchill did serve as Chancellor, here is a quote from him after he left that office..
" Everybody said that I was the worst Chancellor of the Exchequer that ever was. And now I am inclined to agree with them. So the world is unanimous"
Great Soldier = Great War leader, No background in business / commerce = terrible Chancellor

Isn't that what I said ?

Anyway arent you the guy who was posting clips from " China Daily" last week or so trying to run the line that Reeves' Budget isn't pushing up unemployment and back in January posting IMF forecasts that Growth would be 1.7% in the UK this year. Background in business / commerce ? Post away but on the economic stuff I would keep your head down mate.
 
In general but also her attack on welfare. Do you think the majority of people who voted for labour want to see austerity?

Yep I'm waiting for more details from this myself, as really I need to reduce my hours to help care for my Mrs more but I'm trying to hold off until I know what this welfare reform is going to entail.
 
In general but also her attack on welfare. Do you think the majority of people who voted for labour want to see austerity?
Learnt absolutely nothing from the democrats, whatsoever. Keep shitting on the people who vote for you and they’ll vote for someone else. Farage will be rubbing his hands together with her latest piece of fuckwittery.
 
In general but also her attack on welfare. Do you think the majority of people who voted for labour want to see austerity?

It's a national disgrace that so many people are being left to rot on various health related benefits. If you read beyond the headlines, the words are far from an attack, but much more what a Labour party should be doing (and would have been taken for granted in the past). There's no talk of forcing people who can't work into work, but writing off young people who do have the potential to work in the future is what I'd call "nasty".

There has been a huge jump in people claiming sickness benefits, and sadly the largest increase has come from younger age groups. The majority of new people claiming these benefits are also out of work already (almost half have been out of work for two plus years), and tend to be clustered in areas where there are both high levels of unemployment, and existing high levels of incapacity benefits. That suggests that it's the people, and the areas they live in, that have been written off, and that's exactly the kind of issue that you'd expect a Labour government to be tackling.

When you add in the fact that so many people can't work because they're waiting for NHS treatment, which Labour are trying to address, it looks to me less like an "attack on welfare", and instead, exactly what you voted for.


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ps. The other comparable countries are Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the US.
 

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