The Labour Government

BigJoe#1 said:
I agree entirely with what you say, the issue I have is with GP's. Down here we just cannot get an appointment with a GP... and when you do it is always a different GP every time, our surgery is full of Locums.

But I repeat I do agree with your basic principles and that spongers will always scam the system. The question is: Is the NHS broken beyond repair, which IMO is down to under investment and mismanagement over the last 20/30 years, or have we the means and finance to save it?
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Your need to ask if each thing is broken beyond repair is strange to me.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Here's another thing how about reducing unemployment benefit for people who don't apply and keep jobs.
The amount of people claiming has nearly doubled. And I believe that the majority of those could work, given that we haven't suddenly all got less healthy as a population. Other countries don't have this issue as far as I'm aware.
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Yeah, but why do you think that is? Did it suddenly become easier to claim? Did everyone find a loophole at the same time? What exactly caused this massive increase in such a short time. Last I heard, the Tories were cunts to disabled people, so I'm trying to figure out how there could have been such a huge increase (mostly) on their watch.

Is it an aftermath of covid? Long covid for some and the resulting mental health crisis? Is the NHS in such a state that people who could get treated and get back to work are spending ages waiting to be treated and struggle to work in the meantime? I accept that some people cheat the system, but I find it hard to believe there has been an explosion in people cheating the system in such a short time, especially with the well-publicised harsh attitude to benefits that the Tories put in place (and to my knowledge, Labour haven't changed).
 
Maybe, just maybe that is because I am pretty cynical and justifiably do not readily accept everything that people tell me without challenge?

Which of the three areas to specify do you think are fine, or not broken?

You can add to them, Defence, Law and Order and Education to mention bur three more.

What surprises me even more is that when I've come out and basically supported your view, you can challenge me (which of course you're entitled to do) but do you question yourself as well then?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Maybe, just maybe that is because I am pretty cynical and justifiably do not readily accept everything that people tell me without challenge?

Which of the three areas to specify do you think are fine, or not broken?

You can add to them, Defence, Law and Order and Education to mention bur three more.

What surprises me even more is that when I've come out and basically supported your view, you can challenge me (which of course you're entitled to do) but do you question yourself as well then?
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None of them are broken beyond repair. If they were, any discussion would be pointless as the whole country would have collapsed and as far as I can see, that hasn’t happened.

Every system can be improved always.

Being cynical is fine, but be careful about not listening to what others say as you then get in cyclical debates which revert back to your opening question as you’ve not listened to the argument. (Which is why I don’t want to debate with you)
 
Rascal said:
I am still awaiting your answer into how you can access health data.

This is a really serious question and you claimed your company/line of work could access this data.

As a member of the Citizens Adivsory Panel for the Greater Manchester secure data environment, what you said really disturbs me and i will have to report it at our next meeting. If your company can " hack" into the SDE your line of work and the company you work for has destroyed millions of pounds of health data, it becomes unusable.

Your claim could destroy so much research its fucking ridiculous.

You can DM me if you wish, because at the moment you look like a clueless fucking clown.
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The only way I would guess any agency could access such a collection of data is if the individuals are suspected of fraud or another crime which has a financial element to it. I would assume however if it would require a court order to do so.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
which IMO is down to under investment and mismanagement over the last 20/30 years, or have we the means and finance to save it?
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The highest investment in the NHS and the lowest waiting times were under the last Blair Government ... where the fuck do you get the ''last 20/30 years''

how many moons can you see from your planet?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Maybe, just maybe that is because I am pretty cynical and justifiably do not readily accept everything that people tell me without challenge?

Which of the three areas to specify do you think are fine, or not broken?

You can add to them, Defence, Law and Order and Education to mention bur three more.

What surprises me even more is that when I've come out and basically supported your view, you can challenge me (which of course you're entitled to do) but do you question yourself as well then?
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Which bit of the last 15 years dont you get ? Tories had 15 fuckin years and did nothing apart from line their own pockets and those of their mates
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Which bit of the last 15 years dont you get ? Tories had 15 fuckin years and did nothing apart from line their own pockets and those of their mates
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NHS Wales has been under Labour stewardship for the last 25 years uninterrupted. Believe you me it is as bad if not worse than England... and Education, the areas of highestpoerty in England are on a par with the Wales average.

BTW not denying what you claim about the Tories it's true.... but see Vaugh Gethin and his dealings with his mates... £200k worth of dealings I believe.

The difference is that you know the Tories are going to fleece you.... Labour, are more likely to be, lets say.... discreet shall we?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
NHS Wales has been under Labour stewardship for the last 25 years uninterrupted. Believe you me it is as bad if not worse than England... and Education, the areas of highestpoerty in England are on a par with the Wales average.

BTW not denying what you claim about the Tories it's true.... but see Vaugh Gethin and his dealings with his mates... £200k worth of dealings I believe.

The difference is that you know the Tories are going to fleece you.... Labour, are more likely to be, lets say.... discreet shall we?
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NHS funding in Wales is not controlled by the Welsh ... just the distribution of funds provided by Westminster.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
PFI was introduced by John Majors Government .... later identified as being done without a proper business case /cost benefit analysis ..... as a result scrapped by Andy Burnham and then reintroduced by Osborne
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Burnham didn’t scrap PFI. In March 2010 one of his final acts was to sign the PFI deal for Liverpool Royal.

Major’s government did indeed introduce PFI but it was turbo charged by Blair’s Labour. PFI was abolished by the tories in 2018

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