The Labour Government

M18CTID said:
You can currently get odds of 5/1 for Starmer to step down this year which suggests it's far less likely than you think. That doesn't mean it definitely won't happen but if something was truly in the air then the bookies would be pricing it in for sure
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No Labour PM has been ousted by the party. Wilson and Blair didn't have to resign.

Given the accusations about his U-turns, maybe he will belatedly see which way his MPs are going and follow them.
 
Vic said:
I can't be bothered with the trolling.

Can someone explain how lefties and/or people in Harpurhey avoid Council Tax?
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Who said they do?

I made a side comment about them avoiding the poll tax (in response to your daft assertion that everyone refused to pay, couldn't afford it).

Maybe you confused that?
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Here we go, our trusty and reliable Labour spokesman steps in.

Anyway, not a chance, it's far too much fun ;-)

And EDIT, genuine question: Have you ever openly criticised Starmer and Labour for anything? Seriously. If you have then fair enough, and I obviously missed it.
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Yes, but I'm not trawling.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Who said they do?

I made a side comment about them avoiding the poll tax (in response to your daft assertion that everyone refusing to pay, couldn't afford it).

Maybe you confused that?
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Chippy_boy said:
I suspect he also includes the millions of people who could pay it but chose not to. The criminal lefty group you conveniently ignore.
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How do millions choose not to pay Council Tax? Who are the criminal lefty group?

@Palerider How do people in Harpurhey avoid Council Tax?
 
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I believe 14m refused to pay their poll tax and you were inanely trying to suggest that all of them couldn't afford to pay it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
they're idiots, who will take over from them to make them more electable?
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Idiots?

Idiots sit back and do nothing whilst the PM and Chancellor lead from them a landslide majority to being on track to lose nearly 300 of those newly elected MPs in a matter of months if polls are to be believed.

Disastrous policy decisions so far that have resulted in u-turn after u-turn and was faced with losing a vote that would have been seen as a vote in confidence in him and his leadership which he and the cabinet knew, hence yet another u-turn.

He won’t last the distance.
 
blueinsa said:
Idiots?

Idiots sit back and do nothing whilst the PM and Chancellor lead from them a landslide majority to being on track to lose nearly 300 of those newly elected MPs in a matter of months if polls are to be believed.

Disastrous policy decisions so far that have resulted in u-turn after u-turn and was faced with losing a vote that would have been seen as a vote in confidence in him and his leadership which he and the cabinet knew, hence yet another u-turn.

He won’t last the distance.
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Think your probably right but I worry more about the main contenders to replace him.
Edit a quick Google says PM doesn't have to be an MP never knew that.
 
I'm a centre-left leaning voter and I was relieved when Labour were elected last year. I thought we'd have some sensible progressive change.

For what it's worth, benefits and disability payments clearly need a reform. What's ignored in this debate (usually anyway) is the reasons for it - I've seen something that suggests claims from teenagers has tripled. Surely there's a correlation with the closure of surestart and general underinvestment in society in the last 15+ years must contribute?

Having said that, how can the Labour be so hamfisted about the way they go about things? The line about plugging budget gaps is all too true.


I know they can't get everything back on track immediately, but fucking hell do they need to make such a pigs ear of it so quickly? They'll be lucky to make it to two years at this rate
 
Dazzle84 said:
I know they can't get everything back on track immediately, but fucking hell do they need to make such a pigs ear of it so quickly? They'll be lucky to make it to two years at this rate
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Isn't that just politics nowadays ? what chance does any party have to please? any tough decision to take seems to split the nation in half with the rise in social media and mainstream stirring everything. I can think of no party that could ever please everyone.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Isn't that just politics nowadays ? what chance does any party have to please? any tough decision to take seems to split the nation in half with the rise in social media and mainstream stirring everything. I can think of no party that could ever please everyone.
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Yeah I agree. I was thinking about whether we could have had a sensible conversation about reforming benefits generally, but the problem is you'll always be the bad guy for taking money away from people, regardless of how unsustainable it is.

It's like the winter fuel allowance - if that had never been a thing, but was introduced for pensioners on pension credit it would be seen as a huge giveaway. As it was, taking it away from those right on the edge of entitlement was the very opposite.

I'm usually quite optimistic by nature, but I don't know if I can see a way of the country ever getting back on track to be honest.
 
Iqbal Mohammed, - Independent MP just made an excellent contribution to the universal credit and personal independence payment bill as is Imran Hussain Labour Bradford East. Really laying in to the Labour Government....

This may, probably will get through but the damage is well and truly done.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Isn't that just politics nowadays ? what chance does any party have to please? any tough decision to take seems to split the nation in half with the rise in social media and mainstream stirring everything. I can think of no party that could ever please everyone.
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I think there is broad consensus that the system needs reform and had the bill been well thought out with credible plans for reform and measures to help people get back to work, it would have been VERY difficult for the Tories to oppose it. So the difficulty Labour have been facing is I think entirely self-inflicted. This is a case where I think a huge majority could relatively easily have been pleased.

I listened to some of Badenoch's speech today (not all of it, she went on a bit) but I was shocked to hear some of the stats. Apparently, we have 28m people in the country working and 28m not working, being supported by those in work. That cannot possibly continue unless we are all heading for the poor house.

3,000 people per day are going on to incapacity benefit, +50% up from when Labour took over. This is madness.
 
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