The Labour Government

[mexico1970]

An admirably utopian ideal. Alas, some people are cunts, they enjoy being a **** and are only kept in line by their employer hiring people to stop them from acting like a ****.

We have to be realistic.

There must be a fair few cunts in the NHS for them to employ an army of pointers and shouters to keep them in order.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If a lot of people weren't cunts you would not need the Equalities Act.

In fact, if a lot of people weren't cunts you wouldn't need any law at all. But they are and you do.

Of course, you could always repeal the Equalities Act, and then if black, gay, disabled or female employees get bullied just say 'tough titty'.

I can imagine some folk would be happy in that world, as it would save money.

“It’s political correctness gone mad”.
“Box ticking exercise.”

 

[mexico1970]

Pity diversity officers don’t listen to their own message as the one in the fire service said “the problem with the fire service is it’s 85% white males” all she had to do was apologise when called out for discrimination ! now imagine if a firefighter had said something similar, feet wouldn’t have touched the ground.

When the fire service reflects society it isn't good enough for some of these people.

 

[mexico1970]

Of course, you could always repeal the Equalities Act, and then if black, gay, disabled or female employees get bullied just say 'tough titty'.

We have tribunals for that, the NHS doesn't need 800 people marching up and down the corridors with clipboards and lecturing faces.

 

[BrianW]

And those tribunals would mostly be lost, without proper training. Which costs money.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Old bloke doesn’t understand modern world shocker.

 

[metalblue]

Just train your employees not to be a ****, you really don't need someone swanning around with a clipboard with flashcards and a pocket full of pronouns.

And one organisation doesn't need 800 of those either.

I went on one of those work diversity training programmes and the person giving the training called me and asked where I was. I said I am here at the training, you just can’t see me. I identify as transparent, and my pronouns are who/where.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The Cheek of It.

Former Tory Justice Secretary talking about the choice of building new prisons "at £600,000 a cell" - or would you rather have a new hospital, and suggesting early release of prisoners. Was he that vocal for reducing the prison population when he was in government?

just put down the prisoners with more than 5 reoffending offences as they've had their chance and there's no hope for them. That should open up about 25% more prison spaces

 

[bluenova]

We have tribunals for that, the NHS doesn't need 800 people marching up and down the corridors with clipboards and lecturing faces.

The NHS has 1,500,000 staff.

Staff retention, avoiding tribunals, and avoiding complaints from the public, would easily pay for those 800. It's ONE person for nearly 2,000 staff, around 75,000 patients, and around 750,000 contacts with the public every year.

Given they're also involved in making sure there aren't barriers for people from different communities, when accessing the NHS, they're helping with health outcomes on all sides.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Wes slippery **** Streeting preparing us for 'the harsh truth' his American health lobbyists will have to buy part of the NHS to 'save it.

The NHS report will be the excuse to do it.

 

[kaz7]

Wes slippery **** Streeting preparing us for 'the harsh truth' his American health lobbyists will have to buy part of the NHS to 'save it.

The NHS report will be the excuse to do it.

Why dont you like him ?

 

[TinFoilHat]

Why dont you like him ?

I've met him and he comes across as a bit of Narcissistic bully.

 

[metalblue]

The NHS has 1,500,000 staff.

Staff retention, avoiding tribunals, and avoiding complaints from the public, would easily pay for those 800. It's ONE person for nearly 2,000 staff, around 75,000 patients, and around 750,000 contacts with the public every year.

Given they're also involved in making sure there aren't barriers for people from different communities, when accessing the NHS, they're helping with health outcomes on all sides.

It’s a bigger, or more nuanced, topic than that. Staff can display a prejudice in all sorts of ways… think about how you are at work. Do you have colleague or customer you find particularly difficult and don’t like dealing with? Same with NHS staff except you’re the customer…maybe demanding pain killers or being a bit awkward etc. It can generate bias and impact your care in subtle and not so subtle ways. It’s hard, it’s human nature but everyone deserves the same level of care.

When Mrs MB was a specialist palliative nurse she would talk of palliative patients being treated dismissively by some staff if their condition could be blamed on life style choices. A classic example being someone with a drug addiction background - “they only want pain relief to feed their addiction” type attitude so they are denied access to pain relief based on these prejudices.

Not sure 800 diversity trainers is enough when you think of it in that context. Is training really the issue though, how do you monitor this sort of behaviour? You have to almost hope it self regulates - which is I guess where @mexico1970 is coming from when he says “don’t be a ****” - these types of behaviour largely only manifest where they can find futile ground in being accepted by others.

 

[Brewster's millions]

When the fire service reflects society it isn't good enough for some of these people.

To be fair mate I can imagine that a lot of people complain about fire crews being too white when their houses are on fire or they’re being cut out of a car.

 

[mosssideblue]

just put down the prisoners with more than 5 reoffending offences as they've had their chance and there's no hope for them. That should open up about 25% more prison spaces

Certainly put down those who have whole life sentences

 

[Vic]

We have tribunals for that, the NHS doesn't need 800 people marching up and down the corridors with clipboards and lecturing faces.

So that's one diversity officer for around 3 miles of hospital corridors and all the workplaces off the corridors

 

[mexico1970]

Old bloke doesn’t understand modern world shocker.

I can spot a **** Dibley, I'd make an excellent diversity officer.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I can spot a **** Dibley, I'd make an excellent diversity officer.

You wouldn’t. Acting like one would get you sacked on the first day. Probably saying something about a cervix would get you your P45.

 

[oldius]

The conversation here is absolutely symptomatic of our toxic media and its simplistic headlines. Of course the largest employer in the UK needs diversity specialists. It doesn't have to be either or: AND WORKS - enough doctors, nurses AND HR specialists.

 

[Pedestrian]

It’s a bigger, or more nuanced, topic than that. Staff can display a prejudice in all sorts of ways… think about how you are at work. Do you have colleague or customer you find particularly difficult and don’t like dealing with? Same with NHS staff except you’re the customer…maybe demanding pain killers or being a bit awkward etc. It can generate bias and impact your care in subtle and not so subtle ways. It’s hard, it’s human nature but everyone deserves the same level of care.

When Mrs MB was a specialist palliative nurse she would talk of palliative patients being treated dismissively by some staff if their condition could be blamed on life style choices. A classic example being someone with a drug addiction background - “they only want pain relief to feed their addiction” type attitude so they are denied access to pain relief based on these prejudices.

Not sure 800 diversity trainers is enough when you think of it in that context. Is training really the issue though, how do you monitor this sort of behaviour? You have to almost hope it self regulates - which is I guess where @mexico1970 is coming from when he says “don’t be a ****” - these types of behaviour largely only manifest where they can find futile ground in being accepted by others.

In an organisation that big it’s easy to find individual incidents that are wrong but your wife’s experience is not the same as everyone else. I doubt she ever came home and said I did my job today and looked after dying folk. We often pass on the negative experiences and the positive are taken as expected.
EDI is here and people who have a problem with it tend to fit a profile. Bit sad really, getting all worked up about folk promoting equality, diversity and inclusion.