The Labour Government

[mosssideblue]

I assume it's more than that - but curious to know what the source was.

Does anyone honestly believe having been out of Government for so long Labour would do something so radical as to compromise their position within a week?

 

[Vic]

The ones in his head I suspect

Pre-emptive strikes

 

[ganganvince]

Good first week , got down to business quickly with no fuss

The nhs does need reform , it wont be quick , not sure how long there review is going to take . Using empty private beds has been happening for a few years , makes sense

NHS needs am overhaul from top to bottom some depts run ragged whilst others chat, A management structure that is unsustainable, procurement for different trusts bidding against each other etc

 

[maxwellblue]

NHS needs am overhaul from top to bottom some depts run ragged whilst others chat, A management structure that is unsustainable, procurement for different trusts bidding against each other etc

That pretty much describes British Leyland in the 70's

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Weird ain't it not had 2 weeks in power yet and getting slagged off, talk about wanting instant results. Being centre left or centre right is the only way to get elected, stunned people ain't grasped that yet.

Yeah, no party gets elected unless they have the centre tied up. Blair grabbed it, Cameron did and now Starmer has it.

 

[bluenova]

Does anyone honestly believe having been out of Government for so long Labour would do something so radical as to compromise their position within a week?

Given the narrative about the Tories breaking the system, it's probably the best chance they'd get to do something like this. However there are also a lot of left wing news sites, whose main pleasure in a Labour win is that they no longer have to think about the Tories, and can now concentrate on the real enemy.

Streeting has certainly talked about using the private sector, but as far as I'm aware has been very clear that they won't be charging for NHS services.

Still, there was a post on here recently linking to the last Labour Government introducing a two-tier NHS, where you got a second-tier service if you didn't pay. The actual article was a mention in a speech about the NHS branching into areas that it had never covered, and using its expertise/economies of scale to plough money back into the more important work. The main people complaining about the suggestion were of course private providers.

I'd be interested if it's the same kind of source, or something more concerning.

 

[bluenova]

Yeah, no party gets elected unless they have the centre tied up. Blair grabbed it, Cameron did and now Starmer has it.

Shhhh! Don't tell the Tories. Let them listen to Rees Mogg and Braverman, and tie themselves in right wing knots for the next decade.

 

[ganganvince]

That pretty much describes British Leyland in the 70's

Too true been in automotive manufacturing since 76.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Too true been in automotive manufacturing since 76.

Really Nissan seem to be doing ok in North East maybe it's not the workers to blame.

 

[ganganvince]

Donto think anyone did blame them

 

[kaz7]

Given the narrative about the Tories breaking the system, it's probably the best chance they'd get to do something like this. However there are also a lot of left wing news sites, whose main pleasure in a Labour win is that they no longer have to think about the Tories, and can now concentrate on the real enemy.

Streeting has certainly talked about using the private sector, but as far as I'm aware has been very clear that they won't be charging for NHS services.

Still, there was a post on here recently linking to the last Labour Government introducing a two-tier NHS, where you got a second-tier service if you didn't pay. The actual article was a mention in a speech about the NHS branching into areas that it had never covered, and using its expertise/economies of scale to plough money back into the more important work. The main people complaining about the suggestion were of course private providers.

I'd be interested if it's the same kind of source, or something more concerning.

We have been using the private sector for years , sounds like it is ramping up, will real!y help with the waiting lists. You will never get a sub service doing that , you get the same treatment but a bit nicer ward , it makes no sense having private beds and staff doing notning

 

[Vic]

Really Nissan seem to be doing ok in North East maybe it's not the workers to blame.

After a billion pounds of public subsidies

 

[Postman Pep]

The myth of 'spare capacity'

Myth of spare capacity in private health care sector straining to help the NHS

John Puntis is Co-Chair of Keep Our NHS Public The private sector health sector remains small and its activities opaque Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting has no doubt that greater investment in the private sector by utilising its ‘spare capacity’ is a way of helping those on ev

keepournhspublic.com

Private hospitals have no doctors — Centre for Health and the Public Interest

The idea that the private sector is helping the NHS to deal with the aftermath of the COVID pandemic is a myth Over the past year a number of multi-billion pound contracts have been struck with the private hospital sector to provide services to NHS patients. Those involved in promoting these deals

chpi.org.uk

 

[i kne albert davy]

After a billion pounds of public subsidies

Pity we didn't do it for Rover instead then.

 

[bluenova]

The myth of 'spare capacity'

Myth of spare capacity in private health care sector straining to help the NHS

John Puntis is Co-Chair of Keep Our NHS Public The private sector health sector remains small and its activities opaque Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting has no doubt that greater investment in the private sector by utilising its ‘spare capacity’ is a way of helping those on ev

keepournhspublic.com

Private hospitals have no doctors — Centre for Health and the Public Interest

The idea that the private sector is helping the NHS to deal with the aftermath of the COVID pandemic is a myth Over the past year a number of multi-billion pound contracts have been struck with the private hospital sector to provide services to NHS patients. Those involved in promoting these deals

chpi.org.uk

Ultimately Labour are going to be judged on whether the NHS improves.

We know many Tory MPs wouldn't be too bothered by problems in the NHS, and that ideologically would be happy to grab any opportunity to introduce private providers, and profits. There's also definitely some logic to the arguments that there are only so many doctors, and also that private providers won't be that invested in helping out the NHS if it's going to cut back on their long term profits.

But it all goes back to Labour being judged in a different way to the Tories. Labour need to bring down waiting lists, and improve NHS services. Even if they were as cynical as the Tories, it wouldn't make sense to try and transfer NHS services into the private sector, if they knew it would make no difference and simply cost more.

 

[mosssideblue]

The myth of 'spare capacity'

Myth of spare capacity in private health care sector straining to help the NHS

John Puntis is Co-Chair of Keep Our NHS Public The private sector health sector remains small and its activities opaque Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting has no doubt that greater investment in the private sector by utilising its ‘spare capacity’ is a way of helping those on ev

keepournhspublic.com

Private hospitals have no doctors — Centre for Health and the Public Interest

The idea that the private sector is helping the NHS to deal with the aftermath of the COVID pandemic is a myth Over the past year a number of multi-billion pound contracts have been struck with the private hospital sector to provide services to NHS patients. Those involved in promoting these deals

chpi.org.uk

Does it still hurt Pep :(

 

[Rascal]

If you can't feed em then don't breed em...

Eugenics in action, only those with wealth can have kids. So we end up with rich kids running the country.

Have you noticed what the rich kids have done?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Eugenics in action, only those with wealth can have kids. So we end up with rich kids running the country.

Have you noticed what the rich kids have done?

With all the rest having real education, and critical analysis, taken away.

It’s been in effect since the Tories took over, one of the many decisions that we should all be ashamed of.

 

[Rascal]

So.. we all hate Labour now after spending months promoting them?

You may have noticed mate, I am a Socialist, and I have barely said a good word about Keith since he became leader of the new labour renewal party of centrist neo-liberal stupidity.

I have no great hopes for Labour, I hope they prove me wrong but I cannot see it happening, there will be some sops to the working class but they will kow tow to the capitalist class first and foremost.

The less that Labour do, the more influence the nutters from Reform will have and that should scare people

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

You may have noticed mate, I am a Socialist, and I have barely said a good word about Keith since he became leader of the new labour renewal party of centrist neo-liberal stupidity.

I have no great hopes for Labour, I hope they prove me wrong but I cannot see it happening, there will be some sops to the working class but they will kow tow to the capitalist class first and foremost.

The less that Labour do, the more influence the nutters from Reform will have and that should scare people

That’s probably the way a socialist should think, do nothing and allow everybody to fuck you over.

You just sit there, mate, and allow life to pass you by, and fuck everybody over. Then again, do you feel that you should be given extra privledges, because you have extreme personal circumstances?

Please, come out from that cell you live in and understand the realities of people trying to get on, working bloody hard, and not signing on for a two loaves of bread.