The Labour Government

hammocity said:
The family of Cameron Brooksbank would be so proud of what he did but he paid the ultimate price, the scum that attacked him got lenient sentences, only one of the group of criminals remain in prison and he'll be out in around 4 years.
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It wasn't likely to ever get that far I did assess the situation a little before getting involved but you are right.

hammocity said:
No point in intervening (unless it's your job) and it's not good for you to be giving it Billy Big Balls, walk away is the advice in this day and age, there's too many nasty bastards that don't care about the general public.
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True, last time I tried to help out a short bartender pushing a taller bloke in a busy pub I got grabbed and decked by someone at the bar who mistook me for the trouble maker.

In all the instances I didn't generally throw fists and used my smarts rather than violence.

E.g standing with my arms spread out between two big lads with big arms because I knew the force each one exerted to push against me would cancel the other one out.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
He can virtually say anything he wants with impunity within the grounds of the HoC under parliamentary privilege.
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I remember reading that other MEPs were initially confused when he would walk into a debate, insist on speaking, read out a prepared speech on a totally different topic, then walk right out again.

It was only when these speeches started turning up on social media, suggesting he was 'standing up for Britain' on whatever subject, that they realised what he was up to.

It'll be interesting to see just how fast he gets cut down if he tries those tricks in the HoC.
 
inbetween said:
Farage and others have clearly had legal advice on their messaging around this. You can get done for telling people to go out and riot but you can't get done for saying that this issue is so bad that you wouldn't be surprised if people did go out and riot.......
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Can we have m'learned friends' advice on that?

E.g. I think it can be defamatory to say "some say Farage is a murderer but I'm not sure".
 
bluethrunthru said:
www.mirror.co.uk

Angela Rayner announces draconian Tory anti-strike laws will be scrapped

Deputy PM Angela Rayner and Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds have told Whitehall departments to begin work on repealing minimum service laws introduced by Rishi Sunak
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As expected only repealing the minimum service.

The threshold ballot stays.

This "partnership between trade unions and business" has to be explored. I personally think it's good for corporate governance. However, business has taken way too much from the workers and they need to move a long way in contractual protections and monetary value towards us.

Hoping it's not just a word salad where Blue Labour have said to their corporate donors they will throw the workers a crumb whilst they keep the loaf.
 
TinFoilHat said:
As expected only repealing the minimum service.

The threshold ballot stays.

This "partnership between trade unions and business" has to be explored. I personally think it's good for corporate governance. However, business has taken way too much from the workers and they need to move a long way in contractual protections and monetary value towards us.

Hoping it's not just a word salad where Blue Labour have said to their corporate donors they will throw the workers a crumb whilst they keep the loaf.
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If Labour were serious about workers rights, they would significantly increase the statutory redundancy payments to people who are laid off. The statutory payments are abysmal and a disgrace to hard working people who lose their jobs due to no fault of their own. Compared to the redundancy payments in France, Holland, Germany and other European countries they are a joke. I won’t be holding my breath though…
 
PPT said:
If Labour were serious about workers rights, they would significantly increase the statutory redundancy payments to people who are laid off. The statutory payments are abysmal and a disgrace to hard working people who lose their jobs due to no fault of their own. Compared to the redundancy payments in France, Holland, Germany and other European countries they are a joke. I won’t be holding my breath though…
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What are they?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
And they could have gone there with the intent on defending businesses of their relatives who are local to the area.

Would you stay in your own neighborhood if a group of violent racists were heavily rumoured to be on their way and close by?

The majority of the crowd didn't get involved in the ASB, property damage or violence.

The hoax is likely to have originated from far right troublemakers.
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Probably yes, but I wouldn’t be thick enough to carry weapons and then start attacking innocent people. It wasn’t a small number of people either.

As I said it sounds like your trying to defend it and your struggling to put any blame on the violent thugs in Birmingham.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Probably yes, but I wouldn’t thick enough to carry weapons and then start attacking innocent people. It wasn’t a small number of people either.

As I said it sounds like your trying to defend it and your struggling to put any blame on the violent thugs in Birmingham.
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I've already said that was wrong. What else can I say? You are just arguing against a strawman.

It was a minority of the people who turned out. If there were 300 people on the green and seems about 30 of them went looking for a fight when it didn't come to them.
 
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