The Labour Government

[The perfect fumble]

I don't think the vast majority of people - myself included - give a toss about the colour of someone's skin. I also think most people don't mind ethnic diversity. It can and does enrich society.

Is it racist to believe otherwise?

In my experience people gravitate to folk like themselves and societies based on that are statistically more stable and harmonious.

But I do draw the line at the very real possibility of the UK at some point becoming an Islamic state. Birth rates amongst white British people are falling, and the Muslm population continues to increase as a percentage. There is an inexorable path here unless people wake up. To be fair, we have maybe 50 years to wake up but wake up we must.

I think that very unlikely, but why does it matter?

You can't have your cake and eat it, you can't celebrate diversity then wake up one morning and complain it's got too diverse for your liking.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

It's the fucking reason he has to control immigration because you have to be careful not to upset the population, can you not fucking read?

If it were left to him we wouldn't have a culture left he'd have killed it. But people like you don't seem to give two fucks about that I wonder why that is?

Tony Blairs Government proposed and implemented some of the toughest immigration legislation ever.... Sadly the Conservatives chose to either ignore it or block its implementation when they came into power, at that time there were 18954 asylum applications waiting to be heard this rose to 166,261 cases at the end of 2022 (which is why they were being accommodated in hotels.)

The asylum backlog is far higher now than when Labour left government – Full Fact

The home secretary told Parliament the current backlog bears “no comparison” to the situation in 2010, and that Labour would be “found wanting” in any comparison.

fullfact.org

 

[mosssideblue]

Obviously his way forward has been well planned and rehearsed a while ago. He had enough time before the election as we all knew what was happening. They have only assembled today but loads of decisions have been made, seemingly without debate. Let’s see how he goes, but he is under scrutiny by the electorate who didn’t vote for him and those who didn’t vote at all.

What has that to do with the judicary?
Those who didn't vote have no gripe have they

 

[Jimmieblue]

They can all vote again in 5 years time.

Course they can, that’s how it goes.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Course they can, that’s how it goes.

My point was no matter how much they are ‘watching’ or ‘scrutinising’ Starmer, there’s nothing they can do until the next election.

 

[Bigga]

Well, mostly, I find no point in any discussion on this thread as views are already entrenched and have yet to see someone be convinced enough to change their minds, either way.

With that said, I have long come to the conclusion that these issues are conflated and the ire is often directed at the wrong places... except for the cowards who find the excuses and freedom to act out their repression, no matter which side that is.

I found this video extremely interesting with the nail hit on head at 7 mins and 10 mins+.



There's, actually, enough for everybody to live together, but it depends on the gov you want vs the gov you get.

 

[inbetween]

That's nonsense mate. What about the fact that the police didn't turn up to that pub, or to the roundabout where they were brandishing machete's (sp?). And the copper asking if they would drop their knives off at the mosque.

As I said before, it's not about specific incidents though is it. It's the playing field generally, and it does not feel at all level. And as I said, perhaps for understandable reasons: the police are worried about being branded as being racist. Personally, I am also sure they are leaned on by the government - with Starmer to be a staunch multi-culturalist who cannot afford to admit we have any issues with immigration.

If you don't want to accept it, or don't agree with this view then fine by me.

It's not exactly two tier policing but it's certainly choice based policing. But this is to be expected. If you need 1,000 police officers to police everything and you have 200 then which incidents should they sort out first? Somebody has to make that choice and clearly the government made it.

My slight annoyance is that the resource problems are sort of obvious however they still found plenty of resources to pursue random people on Twitter so the resources can indeed be there when they need to be... Not that it matters too much given the type of characters they banged up.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

My point was no matter how much they are ‘watching’ or ‘scrutinising’ Starmer, there’s nothing they can do until the next election.

Especially as the online grifters went early in inciting riots. Their hands are tied for a while now too.

 

[Jimmieblue]

What has that to do with the judicary?
Those who didn't vote have no gripe have they

We’ll see how many new laws we get. That will be the proof for me. He’s no economist from what I read, if we need growth I’m not sure he’s the man. Need someone dynamic, inspirational and more off the cuff. He only reads things, very scripted, dare I say boring.

 

[mexico1970]

Tony Blairs Government proposed and implemented some of the toughest immigration legislation ever.... Sadly the Conservatives chose to either ignore it or block its implementation when they came into power, at that time there were 18954 asylum applications waiting to be heard this rose to 166,261 cases at the end of 2022 (which is why they were being accommodated in hotels.)

The asylum backlog is far higher now than when Labour left government – Full Fact

The home secretary told Parliament the current backlog bears “no comparison” to the situation in 2010, and that Labour would be “found wanting” in any comparison.

fullfact.org

This isn't about the Tories, Blairs comment wasn't really about that. Just because the Tories brought in immigrants doesn't make them right either.

It was about Blairs snidey comment about we have to be careful with immigration because the population wont like it, like he would just open the floodgates if nobody said nowt.

 

[mexico1970]

Is this offer open to anyone?

You can have mine mate :)

 

[Jimmieblue]

My point was no matter how much they are ‘watching’ or ‘scrutinising’ Starmer, there’s nothing they can do until the next election.

Well of course, we all know that. So we watch and wait to see what happens.

 

[mosssideblue]

We’ll see how many new laws we get. That will be the proof for me. He’s no economist from what I read, if we need growth I’m not sure he’s the man. Need someone dynamic, inspirational and more off the cuff. He only reads things, very scripted, dare I say boring.

PMs have a chancellor.
You must know him personally

 

[mosssideblue]

We’ll see how many new laws we get. That will be the proof for me. He’s no economist from what I read, if we need growth I’m not sure he’s the man. Need someone dynamic, inspirational and more off the cuff. He only reads things, very scripted, dare I say boring.

Perhaps if we get new laws, they may be for the better, then what’s your view?

 

[Jimmieblue]

PMs have a chancellor.
You must know him personally

Well let’s hope she has enough experience. I do know someone who worked in the City, but I wouldn’t trust him with the economy. The other person will never have been in my circle.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Perhaps if we get new laws, they may be for the better, then what’s your view?

Depends what they are. I’m not a lover of overdoing it, we seem to have plenty as it is.

 

[metalblue]

You can have mine mate :)

Ha. I’m just here for the free drink

 

[metalblue]

Without having got in to the detail of what this means, on the surface, well done Lammy.

UK to suspend some arms sales to Israel, foreign secretary announces

David Lammy said the ban was "not an arms embargo" - but there was a "clear risk" that some UK weapons could be used in violation of international law.

news.sky.com

 

[mosssideblue]

Depends what they are. I’m not a lover of overdoing it, we seem to have plenty as it is.

He may scrap some archaic ones. If any new laws are introduced, as long as they are for the better, doesn't matter how many there are

 

[Vic]

I don't agree with that at all. Sure he condemned the riots, well done.

He also clearly leaned on the judiciary, presumably through influence and former contacts to dish out sentences which in some cases were utterly ludicrous. I find that VERY disconcerting indeed. The judiciary are supposed to be impartial, but demonstrably in many cases, they were not.

I don't know what pressure he applied to the police either, because we CLEARLY saw two-tier policing in action. White people being arrested for doing nothing more than shouting, and in other situations, Muslim gangs with knives just being asked nicely by the police if they wouldn't mind dropping them off at the Mosque. And when asked about two-tier policing, all he does is get tetchy about it, rather than addressing the question and the issue.

He also alienated thousands of Labour voters in deprived areas, branding anyone who was outside anywhere near a riot as a far-right thug/racist. I am sure that went down well. And given his massive pro-European anti-brexit mindset, he has completely failed to make any comment about him understanding tension and issues caused by mass immigration, which was what the protests were all about.

I would not call all of the above "spot on". The public don't either, hence his approval ratings. Do you not realise that immigration is THE biggest issue the electorate are concerned about, and throughout the disturbances, he didn't mention it at all. Which IMO shows his arrogance and complete lack of political nouse. This will ultimately cost him IMO.

I'll go out on a limb and say anyone out on a riot against immigration is not likely to be a Labour voter, or if they are I'd rather not be asking for their vote.

Whereas the Tories have provided the rhetoric that we heard from the rioters.