The Labour Government

MillionMilesAway said:
There was something last week that Streeting is trying to put together a consensus agreement on social care - it needs to be consensus as it will be expensive and will likely take more than 1 parliamentary term to complete.
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Everybody * was asking Streeting why it needed four years for a "consensus" when Labour has a good majority. Streeting wasn't being explicit but it seems obvious - a National Care Service will need money, for which the only source is taxation, Labour was forced to commit to not increasing income tax, NI, or VAT - and we've seen this week that the Tories are happy to not do anything then blame Labour for not doing anything, so if Labour can't break the promise not to increase taxes, then would they go to the country with a plan to increase tax specifically for a NCS without cross-party agreement, especially if the Tories (and Reform) would continue their cynical break-it-all policies?

* The media I mean - and none of them would ask the question either of the Tories - would you support a tax increase to fund social care? The bottom line is that people would rather not pay tax - and gamble that it's not their relative's care cost eating away their inherited wealth.
 
Really_here said:
This isn't just a criticism of the Labour party (the Tories didn't do it either) but why has our government failed to deport the convicted criminals in Rochdale who were told YEARS ago they were to be deported??
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Maybe living in Rochdale is the punishment?
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Really_here said:
This isn't just a criticism of the Labour party (the Tories didn't do it either) but why has our government failed to deport the convicted criminals in Rochdale who were told YEARS ago they were to be deported??
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A series of legal challenges and Pakistan refusing to accept them.
 
stonerblue said:
THere has been several enquiries and their is no 'cover up'
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Badenoch says no one has been held accountable. It's probably true that police, social workers, and other council officers or elected members were concerned not to be seen to offend ethnic communities - though there's little evidence that communities would be offended by the prosecution of criminals. Or they simply disbelieved the victims, the main reason paedophiles - individually or as a gang - get away with it (and race has nothing to do with that). But no inquiry is going to hold individuals accountable - see the acquittal of anyone charged over Hillsborough. I suspect the Post Office inquiry will not lead to convictions, even of people whose duplicity sent others to prison.
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Streeting is, sadly, way, way out of his depth and, in reality, he’s just kicking the can down the road, once again. There is absolutely no reason to hold yet another enquiry as Dilnot did the Social Care piece and published it in 2021. The answer in 2028 (should it be on time) will be no different to Dilnot’s and they should just grasp the nettle and get on with it.

Much of the ills of the NHS, save for investment in modern technology, a massive reduction in the bedbase, and fewer doctors than almost any other western country, is always traceable to ‘flow’ issues. (In the wider economy, Government calls them supply chain issues when it’s something they don’t want to be blamed for). Hospitals can’t empty people out, because they’ve nowhere to go, so A&E gets full. Patient get treated in A&E rather than on a ward due to,
Ack of beds, other people get kept waiting in ambulances, because A&E is full, other people are kept waiting at home because the ambulances are full and people are leaving in their droves because this wasn’t what they were signed up for. (I know paramedics who are spending their entire shift in an ambulance outside A&E) not actually doing what they’ve been trained for. Australia and Canada are waiting for the, with open arms, a proper shift pattern and hefty pay increases……
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If the AfD get in in Germany, and seek to deport immigrants, there are 6,000 Syrian doctors there who might be looking for new jobs...
 
Really_here said:
This isn't just a criticism of the Labour party (the Tories didn't do it either) but why has our government failed to deport the convicted criminals in Rochdale who were told YEARS ago they were to be deported??
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Labour have been in power >6 months and the Tories the 14 years before that. Some perspective on who should have done what perhaps?

And the real answer is because that unlike the hard right's fever dream on "kick em all out", removing citizenship or deporting people is an incredibly difficult legal process

Just removing a million people is a legal and logistical impossibility. Moving a million British citizens around the world is what the Army does with no legal challenge and they'd be fucked trying to do it. It's not possible
 
People forget that it's extremely difficult to prosecute rape in general - only a tiny fraction of alleged rapists are ever convicted. (You might well argue that's a disgrace in itself. But what, practically, do you do about it? It's ultimately about evidence and convincing a jury. It often comes down to one person's word against another, if there is no direct physical evidence.)

So I would not underestimate the difficulty of prosecuting these child rape cases, given that the victims are often plied deliberately with drink and drugs, that there is undoubtedly intimidation, and that there is (almost inevitably) a conspiracy of silence among the accused.

The way some people go on, you'd think it was as straightforward as booking someone for parking on double yellows and that the systemic failure must all be down to some dark conspiracy.
 
meltonblue said:
A series of legal challenges and Pakistan refusing to accept them.
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For YEARS?? It just needs the political will to get it done and much as I don't like Mr Musk maybe his involvement might help focus minds.
Damocles said:
Labour have been in power >6 months and the Tories the 14 years before that. Some perspective on who should have done what perhaps?

And the real answer is because that unlike the hard right's fever dream on "kick em all out", removing citizenship or deporting people is an incredibly difficult legal process

Just removing a million people is a legal and logistical impossibility. Moving a million British citizens around the world is what the Army does with no legal challenge and they'd be fucked trying to do it. It's not possible
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Who mentioned millions of people? I'm talking about the individuals in Rochdale and it IS possible. You're entitled to your opinion but like I said above it just needs the political will to make it happen and I won't be convinced otherwise.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Starmer the harmer is an absolute clown. He'll be out at the next election
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Interestingly the Times reporter who exposed the latest cases has doen an interview on the podcast " The News Agents". During that interview he is adamant that Starmer was instrumental in changing the rules to allow proper investigations and charges to be brought. So far from being a blocker. the opposite seems to be the case. The reporter is not a known Starmer fan but at least has been accurate on the matter.
 
Really_here said:
For YEARS?? It just needs the political will to get it done and much as I don't like Mr Musk maybe his involvement might help focus minds.

Who mentioned millions of people? I'm talking about the individuals in Rochdale and it IS possible. You're entitled to your opinion but like I said above it just needs the political will to make it happen and I won't be convinced otherwise.
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Years in cases like this really isn't a long time. The problem with stuff like this is people think it's done with a click of the finger and that's a problem most incumbent governments are facing.

People don't understand and are impatient, so when someone comes along and says I'll do it, with a catchy slogan, people jump on the bandwagon.
Proper legal and political processes take forever. There are so many intricacies.

Mr Musk is doing nothing of the sort, if anything he's impeding the processes, threats to MP's lives since have radically increased.
 
hampshireblue said:
Interestingly the Times reporter who exposed the latest cases has doen an interview on the podcast " The News Agents". During that interview he is adamant that Starmer was instrumental in changing the rules to allow proper investigations and charges to be brought. So far from being a blocker. the opposite seems to be the case. The reporter is not a known Starmer fan but at least has been accurate on the matter.
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Likewise Jess Phillips has probably done more for victims of assault and abuse as any MP in history.

Yet Musk targets them for the thick right wing plebs who lap it up.
 
Really_here said:
This isn't just a criticism of the Labour party (the Tories didn't do it either) but why has our government failed to deport the convicted criminals in Rochdale who were told YEARS ago they were to be deported??
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Obviously if they're solely British citizens, there isn't anywhere to deport them to.

However, thousands of people are deported every year due to criminal convictions. As far as I can see, the Home Office stats suggest that the majority of those who meet the criteria end up being deported.

Are you talking about specific cases?
 
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