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hampshireblue
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Is that the majority of the public who were clamouring for it before Christmas?-no, thought not. I assume you would want the inquiry to be thorough, so what timescale would it be working to? Bearing in mind TORs can sometimes take many months to establish it is inconceivable that it will take less than 3-5 years.
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Why would it matter if a proper public / national inquiry takes 3 or even 5 years? Such a timescale doesn’t imply that people can operate lawlessly in the meantime.
What matters is providing any new inquiry with the full legal powers and capabilities to investigate the outstanding issues, to ensure that people responsible for past failings are held properly accountable and to as far as possible reduce the risk of these issues recurring in the future.
I would think that any government would want to facilitate such an inquiry, but the current mob have shown that not to be the case. Personally I think their actions on this, and the way they’ve now shifted their position in response to public opinion whilst still - knowingly - failing to provide the inquiries with the necessary powers is nothing short of shameful. I’m just glad that there’s a few decent Labour politicians who will continue to challenge the government’s position.
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Surprised the potential inquiry is still being discussed. The Twitter crusade has ended and the world has moved on.
Wonder what Musk’s next topic that he will whip up the frothers with.
Wonder what Musk’s next topic that he will whip up the frothers with.
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Calling NHS doctors terrorists because some happen to be from Syria?
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As good a guess as any. The topic doesn’t matter. Just the frenzy.
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He's tried grooming gangs.
He knows the sanctity of our NHS and would happily destroy it Help trump get a trade deal involving US healthcare forms running it.*
*That's if he last that long with Trump. I'm giving it 2 months at the most before they fall out.
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It’s more about undermining Starmer and Labour to me. It was important that they stood up to him and not given in to him.
He’s done pretty well at shutting out the noise of Twitter so far, but it’ll get harder as the next election starts to loom.
He needs to make people feel that life is improving before the mega culture wars restart.
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Even to the very thick it must be obvious he is undermining Labour and Starmer for Reform to come in - if people don’t see through this I have little hope in mankind.
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It doesn’t matter to them. The undermining is the important thing, not the consequences.
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Because, according to many of those already having been involved are concerned that victims will be summoned to go through much of the stuff thay already have. There is also a concern that the recommendations of the previous report will go on hold till a new inquiry has taken place.
The "current mob" once again are left picking up the pieces of the Tories and let's not forget in 2019:
"Boris Johnson has declared money spent on non-recent child abuse investigations as “spaffed up a wall”-at the time Badenoch was a minister for children and families and Philp was the minister for justice. Not a peep from them regarding the TORs of the intial inquiry.
I think a deep dive into the previous inquiry should be a priority along with actioning the recommendations and then whatever holes still need to be filled can be done so from that starting point.
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Thanks for posting that. Never seen those attachments before. I'm sure it'll be ignored. Looks like it is. Wonder why.I had not seen this. As I write events have moved on this afternoon as you will know and Starmer has realised he will not be able to simply hold the fort on this one. Looks like window dressing to me but we will see. So as to your first point government said no - well now they say yes ( kind of)
We would probably disagree on who "people who know what they are talking about" are, that said given its limitations it does appear the Telford inquiry was a good example of its type. Cooper referenced it today in her statement as the model for the five more she will fund. However, I would refer you to the questions Sarah Champion asked Cooper in the House today, this type of enquiry does not have the power to compel anyone to give evidence . It simply isn't good enough. Sarah Champion as the MP for Rotherham is a person I would believe knows what she is talking about on these matters and she clearly believes this Telford style enquiry will not suffice. The victims deserve to see those who have let them down be held to account . This will only happen with a full Government led enquiry.
As for Mr Afzal, I think he does know what he is talking about but only chooses to tell us what he thinks we should hear. In regard to the article, I agree with him that race is not the issue, it is ethnicity. He has a point about night time economy workers but that cannot be an excuse. He says that this issue is nothing to do with religion, it is about Male power over women - yes, but what religion promotes male power over women like Islam ? I could go on.
Here is an article from an interview with him the year before yours where he met Muslim community leaders in Bradford, he explicitly references the over representation of Pakistani men in grooming gangs and criticises the community and its leaders for not doing more to prevent this ( as he does to a lesser degree in you article)
Muslim community must address issue of street grooming, says Nazir Afzal
Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse urges community to report suspected cases of child sexual exploitation by Asian and Pakistani men and says ‘don’t walk by’www.theguardian.com
As Afzal says this is a minority of the Muslim community and that is of course true but as he says if they want to be able to hold up their heads they must do much more to call this out.
I think this guy, Taj Hargey is much closer to the truth. He has his own agenda in regard to promoting his modernist , liberal interpretation of Islam but I believe he fully understands what is happening in Britains Mosques and the messages that certain Imam's deliver. He said this in 2013.
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Is that not how politics work? The opposition undermines the government and tries to force them on the defensive and U turn etc. Were Labour any different in opposition? That's the game surely?
On grooming, I fail to see how this is party political. It seems to me that some on the left do not want this investigated further for 'ideological' reasons and some on the right do want it investigated further for 'ideological' reasons. However, the vast majority of the public just want to ensure that these vulnerable children are protected and if that offends the 'ideological' on the left/right then so what.
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because we had a number of inquiries already and one 7 year long one that cost hundreds of millions, all another inquiry does is delay the recommendations that have been put forward and cost more millions down the drain.
Musk does not give one fuck about Vulnerable children, he instead used grooming gangs as a way to score some very cheap political points.
That would be as wrong as someone saying silencing Musk is more important to them than protecting children and bringing the guilty to justice.
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It’s true though. Full on offensive last week. Now crickets. It was never about the kids.
So your sympathy for victims extends to joking about it.
Why didn't the previous mob, your Tory mob, want an inquiry?
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Elon Musk is not "the opposition". He's a foreign agent.
You fellow-travellers need to wake up.
You'll love this attachment then.
15. All forms of child sexual abuse are under-reported and the evidence on which we base these findings is limited to the cases we know about. Given that the majority of people who are sexually abused do not tell anyone at the time (see paragraph 58), and that some disclosures are not recorded, we are aware that there are aspects and dimensions to this kind of offending that are not covered in the literature or in any of the case studies we have considered.
16. Based on what we do know, the characteristics of offenders in group-based CSE include that they are predominantly but not exclusively male and are often older than sexual offenders in street gangs, but younger than lone child sexual offenders. In many cases, offenders are under the age of thirty, but in some cases they are much older.
17. A number of high-profile cases - including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay, the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White. Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected. During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. However, there are cases where offenders within groups come from different backgrounds.
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