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Churchlawtonblue said:
The rest of the country gets forgotten again when it comes to large capital infrastructure projects. Repeatedly successive Governments ensure these end up in London. HS2 started in London, Crossrail/ Elizabeth line, the second Dartford Crossing. Heathrow expansion. And the rest of us get Hinckley Point. Lol

Sorry I forgot, 8 years ago Greater Manchester got the £85m Ordsall Curve, but even that wasn't funded fully so the line only operates at a 25% of its capacity as they didn't build the extra platforms at Piccadilly. Haha
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And how many hoops did we have to jump through before we got we got the nod for a tram system?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Would you rather have had the Government spend that infrastructure budget on the north? Cost estimates are circa £14B, isn't this just more London centric spending?
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Very little of the money in Network Rail's current control period is for increase in capacity/enhancements its mostly renewals of life expired systems and lots of stabilising embankments to prevent land slips. Whilst they talk about upgrades its really just fixing stuff thats either unreliable or obsolete.

To start to having a meaningful impact on connectivity across the North, particularly Transpennine you need to be budgeting figures in line with that spent on HS2. A second Transpennine link is definitely required, but I cant see them ever having the stomach or the ambition to upgrade the Hope Valley line between Sheffield and Manchester
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
The rest of the country gets forgotten again when it comes to large capital infrastructure projects. Repeatedly successive Governments ensure these end up in London. HS2 started in London, Crossrail/ Elizabeth line, the second Dartford Crossing. Heathrow expansion. And the rest of us get Hinckley Point. Lol

Sorry I forgot, 8 years ago Greater Manchester got the £85m Ordsall Curve, but even that wasn't funded fully so the line only operates at a 25% of its capacity as they didn't build the extra platforms at Piccadilly. Haha
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true enough...woulda been cheaper to recomission Central Station ( GMex to you kids) than build the Ordsall Chord...which is hoplessly ineffective without another picc platform.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
And how many hoops did we have to jump through before we got we got the nod for a tram system?
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A tram system on the cheap, one that runs on streets with cars in large parts. The capacity of the Ashton line that serves the Etihad is 2000 people per hr! Which is hilarious considering it is now going to be servicing 80,000 people going to and from the Etihad and Coop Live.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
A tram system on the cheap, one that runs on streets with cars in large parts. The capacity of the Ashton line that serves the Etihad is 2000 people per hr! Which is hilarious considering it is now going to be servicing 80,000 people going to and from the Etihad and Coop Live.
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The Ansaldo trams that they originally procured, because they were cheap, were full of outdated relay logic, which whilst safe was unreliable. But as always cheapest in the short term wins rather than thinking long term.

Therefore we are back to the issue of infrastructure spending being tied to parliamentary terms and used as a political football, rather than 10-20yr investment programmes based upon need.
 
Kompany Car said:
The Ansaldo trams that they originally procured, because they were cheap, were full of outdated relay logic, which whilst safe was unreliable. But as always cheapest in the short term wins rather than thinking long term.

Therefore we are back to the issue of infrastructure spending being tied to parliamentary terms and used as a political football, rather than 10-20yr investment programmes based upon need.
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We are firmly in the make promises we know we can’t and will never have to keep phase of politics.

Say anything to gain power for 5 years and wing it!
 
Banks closing hundreds of branches again and making staff redundant. Tesco and Sainsburys doing the same losing staff. Where are all the sick and disabled going to work?


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My branch in Middleton closing after already closing New Moston. Failsworth closing too.

I asked how do we buy houses now as you have to go into branches........zoom she says. What about all those who simply can't cope with Zoom or smart phone stuff?

Governments are useless allowing all this shit to happen.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
That was an entire speech/"policy announcement" under Sunak.
You watched this morning a half hour detailed policy announcement that clearly went beyond some people. The third runway at Heathrow for example is long overdue.
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Where exactly was the detail in the speech?

There wasn't any. Nor for that matter was there anything new in there. Anything in the speech relating to spending was concentrated in London and the South East. The bollocks about a 'reset' in EU relations got another airing and she even had to reference her trip to China to help pad out her speech.

All we saw this morning was a desperate attempt to set a growth narrative because they know they've stalled the economy since they got in. In particular they're shitting themselves about the release of the Q4 GDP figures on 13 February because there's a high chance that the economy contracted over the quarter, and the narrative then going into the spring statement would be about recession even before any reductions to the spending plans are announced.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Banks closing hundreds of branches again and making staff redundant. Tesco and Sainsburys doing the same losing staff. Where are all the sick and disabled going to work?


Branch Closures | NatWest

Information on NatWest branch closures and other ways to bank with us.
www.natwest.com www.natwest.com

My branch in Middleton closing after already closing New Moston. Failsworth closing too.

I asked how do we buy houses now as you have to go into branches........zoom she says. What about all those who simply can't cope with Zoom or smart phone stuff?

Governments are useless allowing all this shit to happen.
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Don't think there's any banks left in Heywood. I know Natwest closed about 5 years ago, Barclays not long after that. Yorkshire Bank and HSBC went even before them too. There's hardly any cash machines either. But the Tory MP got a brand new office that nobody ever saw him in.
 
Kompany Car said:
The Ansaldo trams that they originally procured, because they were cheap, were full of outdated relay logic, which whilst safe was unreliable. But as always cheapest in the short term wins rather than thinking long term.

Therefore we are back to the issue of infrastructure spending being tied to parliamentary terms and used as a political football, rather than 10-20yr investment programmes based upon need.
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London being the exception again. Once a piece of infrastructure that has an origin anywhere within the M25 gets the go ahead and the incoming alternative government tell us it would be too costly to abandon!
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
London being the exception again. Once a piece of infrastructure that has an origin anywhere within the M25 gets the go ahead and the incoming alternative government tell us it would be too costly to abandon!
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Thats because there's normally been loads of lobbying from wealthy land owners to build houses in areas that need fast links into London. If you can get into central london in less that 30 mins you can triple the land value.
 
We are all sleepwalking into a world of disaster this government hasn’t got a fucking clue, we need growth now not in 20 years , address todays and tmrw problems which are huge. When these airports are up and ready Al would have taken jobs off thousands of people so whose gonna be affording holidays because they will never come down.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Get put of your car or van, that's what we've been told up here, the difference is most of us in the north west don't have a choice. Public transport is truly awful compared to London and the south east.
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Outside London, public transport in the south east is awful. Not sure why you think it is much better than the north.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
A tram system on the cheap, one that runs on streets with cars in large parts. The capacity of the Ashton line that serves the Etihad is 2000 people per hr! Which is hilarious considering it is now going to be servicing 80,000 people going to and from the Etihad and Coop Live.
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Will never understand why they didnt reopen the station at Miles Platting or build a new one just off the curve. Fast train straight into Manchester or across the pennies. Would further help with regeneration of the area and you shift a lot more people.
 
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