The Labour Government

GMB really hate Labour and would rather see the UK fail - The NI rules only apply to Indian companies in India, who send temporary workers to the UK for Indian Businesses, and not Indians on Work Visas being hired by UK businesses - Indian workers will continue to pay all other taxes including income tax and will continue to pay the immigration health surcharge to access the NHS.They will not accrue any benefits that come from making NI contributions like access to the state pension.

Journalists do research not disseminate misinformation

 
Oh - SKY couches their criticism with a bit of Reform boosting and a bit of casual racism - the descent into fox news accelerates

 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Daniel Hannan is desperate to claim this as a ‘Brexit benefit’ so his opinion on this, as with almost everything else he has ever claimed about Brexit, is likely worth Jack Shit..
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Both can be true though. Whilst we’ve been able to negotiate our own term of this trade deal because of Brexit giving us back our sovereignty, we would probably have got a better deal inside of the EU with them negotiating for us.

Like always, both sides of the Brexit debate are trying to claim it as a win for their side.

Similarly, both sides of the pro/anti Labour debate are picking and choosing the good/bad points of the deal and claiming it as a triumph/catastrophe in equal measure.

C’est la vie.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Both can be true though. Whilst we’ve been able to negotiate our own term of this trade deal because of Brexit giving us back our sovereignty, we would probably have got a better deal inside of the EU with them negotiating for us.

Like always, both sides of the Brexit debate are trying to claim it as a win for their side.

Similarly, both sides of the pro/anti Labour debate are picking and choosing the good/bad points of the deal and claiming it as a triumph/catastrophe in equal measure.

C’est la vie.
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Hilariously, most of the ardent proponents of Brexit, like Farage and Rupert Lowe are screaming about how terrible it all is…
Seems like we’d prefer white people coming over to work in the UK for a while before mostly going back from whence they came, whilst many older people seem to want the opportunity to live abroad!!
It gets harder and harder to understand why they ever wanted it in the first place and yet people not wanting to admit they were duped will likely mean it just never ends..
 
bluethrunthru said:
GMB really hate Labour and would rather see the UK fail - The NI rules only apply to Indian companies in India, who send temporary workers to the UK for Indian Businesses, and not Indians on Work Visas being hired by UK businesses - Indian workers will continue to pay all other taxes including income tax and will continue to pay the immigration health surcharge to access the NHS.They will not accrue any benefits that come from making NI contributions like access to the state pension.

Journalists do research not disseminate misinformation

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Please correct me if I’m wrong on this, but from what I’ve read it means if there’s an Indian based company in the uk, they can bring over Indian workers and those workers won’t have to pay NI for three years.

So let’s say some of the large hospitality Indian owned companies who are based in the uk and employ thousands - it’ll now be cheaper for them to hire Indian workers instead of British workers.

Is that not right?
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Please correct me if I’m wrong on this, but from what I’ve read it means if there’s an Indian based company in the uk, they can bring over Indian workers and those workers won’t have to pay NI for three years.

So let’s say some of the large hospitality Indian owned companies who are based in the uk and employ thousands - it’ll now be cheaper for them to hire Indian workers instead of British workers.

Is that not right?
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Not really no you are incorrect or mis-informed on a number of issues.

1/ There is an overall cap of 1800 visa's to be issued per year. Nobody is bringing thousands here.

2/ The apply only to professionals. So dentists, musicians or finance experts can be seconded from their Indian parent employer in India to a uk office or subsidiary. They won't pay NI here for up to 3 years but will pay it back home at about the same rate - that avoids double taxation. They will pay Income Tax, VAT any other tax plus the £1,035 NHS surcharge per year per person.

3/ Anybody that you meet from abroad who has been sent to the uk office for up to a year doesn't and never have as far as I am aware pay NI for the first year here. They could be here for 3 months then in Germany for 6 months then go home and chasing them for an NI bill would be messy and not financially a good practise

4/ If this agreement has you annoyed or worried can you tell me why the agreements we already have and that are the same sort of deal have left you cold but Indians get you hot under the collar?

 
bluethrunthru said:
Not really no you are incorrect or mis-informed on a number of issues.

1/ There is an overall cap of 1800 visa's to be issued per year. Nobody is bringing thousands here.

2/ The apply only to professionals. So dentists, musicians or finance experts can be seconded from their Indian parent employer in India to a uk office or subsidiary. They won't pay NI here for up to 3 years but will pay it back home at about the same rate - that avoids double taxation. They will pay Income Tax, VAT any other tax plus the £1,035 NHS surcharge per year per person.

3/ Anybody that you meet from abroad who has been sent to the uk office for up to a year doesn't and never have as far as I am aware pay NI for the first year here. They could be here for 3 months then in Germany for 6 months then go home and chasing them for an NI bill would be messy and not financially a good practise

4/ If this agreement has you annoyed or worried can you tell me why the agreements we already have and that are the same sort of deal have left you cold but Indians get you hot under the collar?

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Just to clarify - I'm not sure that the 1800 cap is the same as the double taxation agreement. I would add that other countries also have longer agreements in place.

What does tell us a lot, is the fact that Kemi was the first one to bring up all the "two tier" stuff yesterday, but didn't even mention it at PMQs today.

Clearly she knows that the innuendo works well on social media, but doesn't stand up to serious scrutiny.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Please correct me if I’m wrong on this, but from what I’ve read it means if there’s an Indian based company in the uk, they can bring over Indian workers and those workers won’t have to pay NI for three years.

So let’s say some of the large hospitality Indian owned companies who are based in the uk and employ thousands - it’ll now be cheaper for them to hire Indian workers instead of British workers.

Is that not right?
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They'd still need visas though? And you'd be bringing over people who had to meet minimum income requirements, not have any recourse to public funds, and meet all the other requirements to work here.

It's not any kind of open door policy. Ultimately the Government can control overall numbers, as we saw with the huge increases of the last few years.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not really no you are incorrect or mis-informed on a number of issues.

1/ There is an overall cap of 1800 visa's to be issued per year. Nobody is bringing thousands here.

2/ The apply only to professionals. So dentists, musicians or finance experts can be seconded from their Indian parent employer in India to a uk office or subsidiary. They won't pay NI here for up to 3 years but will pay it back home at about the same rate - that avoids double taxation. They will pay Income Tax, VAT any other tax plus the £1,035 NHS surcharge per year per person.

3/ Anybody that you meet from abroad who has been sent to the uk office for up to a year doesn't and never have as far as I am aware pay NI for the first year here. They could be here for 3 months then in Germany for 6 months then go home and chasing them for an NI bill would be messy and not financially a good practise

4/ If this agreement has you annoyed or worried can you tell me why the agreements we already have and that are the same sort of deal have left you cold but Indians get you hot under the collar?

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Yep, National Insurance is primarily a contribution to your state pension. It also covers certain benefits like jobseekers allowance, but requires 2 or 3 tax years of contributions before you're entitled to that. In both cases, a foreigner on a temporary visa isn't entitled to them, so it makes sense that they either don't have to pay them or get it refunded when they leave.

It's actually pretty standard for countries to return any of these sorts of contributions to foreign workers. I'm currently in Vietnam, and I have to pay towards their equivalent of NI, but when I leave the country, I get my contributions back, because they recognise that it's a pension contribution that they're never going to pay me otherwise. Same when I left Malaysia. Malaysians can cash out on retirement, foreigners can cash out when they leave the country.
 
I just wanna know when these cunts help the British people for a change, we have all suffered in this country and the only ones who haven’t are the incredibly rich people of this country
 
city2 said:
I just wanna know when these cunts help the British people for a change, we have all suffered in this country and the only ones who haven’t are the incredibly rich people of this country
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I’m not a Labour voter (well, aside from very recently where I voted for their candidate in the locals) but I don’t get this sentiment. They’ve implemented a few policies that target the rich. They’re a bit damned if they do damned if they don’t though as they either get pelters for it in most of the media and social media for it or people just seemingly ignore they’ve done anything at all.

The irony is people seem to be turning to a party that opposed any of those policies and would increase the disparity of wealth even further.
 
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