The Labour Government

Palerider said:
This might not be a popular opinion on here!
Thatcher was hated, absolutely hated by working class communities because she destroyed many of them on the altar of the 'market' (neoliberalism, I think it's called). The truth is that Freedom of movement and immigration has also destroyed many, mostly working class communities. You simply cannot square supporting immigration on the scales we currently have with support for the working class (which is supposed to be what the Labour Party is about). Cheap labour might be great for growth and the middle classes but it is utterly delusional and probably blatant lying to claim it has any benefits for the working class and poorest of this country.
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and yet..she had a suprisingly large support amongst the lower orders. Esp after the Falklands. In the end it was the middle classes that got her out.
 
stonerblue said:
If only there was a massive bit of land full of countries where young British working class kids could go and work for more than 90 days....
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It's the pay rates that are important and FOM and immigration kept those pay rates for minimum wage jobs low.
 
Resurrection Joe... said:
and yet..she had a suprisingly large support amongst the lower orders. Esp after the Falklands. In the end it was the middle classes that got her out.
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I think our late Queen had a phrase for that, "recollections may vary". The middle classes look after the middle class and how they have taken over the Labour Party is a bit of a mystery.
 
Palerider said:
I think our late Queen had a phrase for that, "recollections may vary". The middle classes look after the middle class and how they have taken over the Labour Party is a bit of a mystery.
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"Don't worry Johnny boy I've got your back. So much so that in 30 years Labour will look more tory than you."
 
mackenzie said:
I think most people welcome those that come here legally, particularly to work.
The focus should be on those where we don't know their true identity and history. Whilst I understand there are some genuine people that come from absolute war torn shit holes and "packing your passport" isn't exactly feasible, there are also loads of risks associated with letting anyone in based on a story that can't be verified.

I know that Labour focused on this group at the beginning but in now changing the narrative it makes me feel like they are admitting defeat with that. Which is understandable because it's much easier to control legal migration.
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I work in social care and my concerns are how thorough are any checks be that by an employer or agency. My background can be checked and they will question any gaps in employment etc. How do you do that with someone from a different country or continent. Also the language barrier - I work with vulnerable adults who expect a certain verbal response. If you don't pick up on it, you may have a behaviour that escalates. But you balance it up with the fact that in many jobs there are few if any career progression opportunities. So would a young person enter that profession anyway
 
Another immigration reform (no pun intended) to go alongside all the other immigration reforms and will probably experience the same fate ie increasing immigration levels.

Still, at least we are spared the endless angst over hard caps and annual targets. I increasingly think immigration politics is a bit like having to believe in a flat Earth. Suspension of fucking reality is a key requirement. A bit like imposing tariffs then spending the next few months backpedaling super hard :)
 
shackattack said:
I work in social care and my concerns are how thorough are any checks be that by an employer or agency. My background can be checked and they will question any gaps in employment etc. How do you do that with someone from a different country or continent. Also the language barrier - I work with vulnerable adults who expect a certain verbal response. If you don't pick up on it, you may have a behaviour that escalates. But you balance it up with the fact that in many jobs there are few if any career progression opportunities. So would a young person enter that profession anyway
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Yes, I work with young people who are looking for work. Very few look at the social care sector. That includes all cultures and ethnicities.

My mum was in a fantastic care home until she recently passed. She was there for years and every time I visited the vibe of the place was excellent. The staff were mainly in their 30s and 40s and I never saw a miserable face, from neither staff or resident. They arranged activities every week and the place was always happy.
I'd say about 90 percent of the staff were of Asian descent.
The only problem I ever had was when she was dying. I don't know if it was a culture thing or what but the lack of clarity on the night of her death resulted in my not being with her when she died. Despite them telephoning me three hours before, they couched it in terms that didnt express the urgency. I think the lady was trying to say "get here now" (as I had agreed the day before with the team) but simply said "her breathing is rapid..."
As I was getting daily updates at this stage I expected her to stress the end was near, but she didn't. 3 hours later I got the call "she has stopped breathing...."
I almost screamed "give her CPR then!" until it dawned on me that she was telling me she had died.
It doesn't matter that much really, all things considered, as the care they gave her for years was second to none. That's what mattered. Yet it rankles a bit at the moment.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Starmer killed the Tories and now will do the same to Reform! come on!
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Sorry buddy, Starmer had nothing to do with the Tories demise, that was totally a homegrown product.... which as it turns out Starmer is doing a very good job of replicating.... fair play to him, though you will eventually begin to realise that any success (or at least very little) it is absolutely nothing to do with what Reform are doing... Labour or more specifically Starmer, is handing it to them on a silver platter.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sweeping crackdown on migration - will be enough to please Reform voters or do they only want to hear it from Farages mouth ?
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Hmmmm. do you regret this post now? It was all about controlling managed immigrations, VISA crackdown etc... not a dickie bird about illegal immigration and smashing the gangs with Border Force, he was hoping I suppose he was hoping to fool the public. Evidently he did succeed in some quarters?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Sorry buddy, Starmer had nothing to do with the Tories demise, that was totally a homegrown product.... which as it turns out Starmer is doing a very good job of replicating.... fair play to him, though you will eventually begin to realise that any success (or at least very little) it is absolutely nothing to do with what Reform are doing... Labour or more specifically Starmer, is handing it to them on a silver platter.
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In 2021, two years into the last Tory Govt they followed up their big win in the 2019 General Election with big gains in the local elections and by-elections with people confidently talking about another decade of Tory rule.

In 2024 they got bum fucked.

No one has a clue what will happen in 2028/29.
 
BobKowalski said:
In 2021, two years into the last Tory Govt they followed up their big win in the 2019 General Election with big gains in the local elections and by-elections with people confidently talking about another decade of Tory rule.

In 2024 they got bum fucked.

No one has a clue what will happen in 2028/29.
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I think most of us will bet on 2025 - infinty being a shit show! More seriously, in a more and more competitive world where the West and it's workers want to retire at 20 to travel the world. Just where is any growth going to come from?
 
mackenzie said:
Yes, I work with young people who are looking for work. Very few look at the social care sector. That includes all cultures and ethnicities.

My mum was in a fantastic care home until she recently passed. She was there for years and every time I visited the vibe of the place was excellent. The staff were mainly in their 30s and 40s and I never saw a miserable face, from neither staff or resident. They arranged activities every week and the place was always happy.
I'd say about 90 percent of the staff were of Asian descent.
The only problem I ever had was when she was dying. I don't know if it was a culture thing or what but the lack of clarity on the night of her death resulted in my not being with her when she died. Despite them telephoning me three hours before, they couched it in terms that didnt express the urgency. I think the lady was trying to say "get here now" (as I had agreed the day before with the team) but simply said "her breathing is rapid..."
As I was getting daily updates at this stage I expected her to stress the end was near, but she didn't. 3 hours later I got the call "she has stopped breathing...."
I almost screamed "give her CPR then!" until it dawned on me that she was telling me she had died.
It doesn't matter that much really, all things considered, as the care they gave her for years was second to none. That's what mattered. Yet it rankles a bit at the moment.
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Sorry to hear about that as end of life care is important and though difficult to cope with you do feel privileged at being a part of it. The saddest thing in social care ( as I am now experiencing) is they will train you at a fast track level but if you make a mistake there is no empathy or understanding. They're punitive and appear to enjoy disciplining staff. Why would a young person come into an environment where you could earn far less stacking shelves with no responsibility.
 
shackattack said:
Sorry to hear about that as end of life care is important and though difficult to cope with you do feel privileged at being a part of it. The saddest thing in social care ( as I am now experiencing) is they will train you at a fast track level but if you make a mistake there is no empathy or understanding. They're punitive and appear to enjoy disciplining staff. Why would a young person come into an environment where you could earn far less stacking shelves with no responsibility.
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Thank you.

To be honest, the young people I deal with seem to want either NHS work (better pay, secure employment), cyber security or social media (of some description). They hardly mention working in care homes or other social care. They used to, but nowhere near as much now. Which is a shame because, with the right employer, it should be one of the most rewarding jobs there is.
 
Palerider said:
I think most of us will bet on 2025 - infinty being a shit show! More seriously, in a more and more competitive world where the West and it's workers want to retire at 20 to travel the world. Just where is any growth going to come from?
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Growth will come from a totally unexpected area that no one foresaw - or immigrants doing the jobs no one in the west wants to do. I mean, for a young person do you a) want to look after old people or b) earn a dime off YouTube/Tik Tok/Only fans etc.

My guess is that the next few years will see modest growth, but events will dictate what happens. No one really saw Brexit, a pandemic or a war in Ukraine on the horizon, so my actual answer is: fuck knows.

My only expectation from this Government is reasonably competent stewardship of the economy and country. Something that has been absent since 2016 when we set fire to ourselves and the Tory party combusted trying to simultaneously believe in two incompatible articles of faith. One. That they were the party of Brexit. Two. That they were the party of the economy and business. Result. A wild descent into insanity and increasingly weird leaders.

Today’s immigration announcement was about politics not stewardship and trying to reset the narrative. I doubt it will work anymore than Trump trying to bring back manufacturing to the US or any other batshit nonsense everyone seems keen to try these days. Thankfully, they haven’t imposed hard caps or annual targets just an end of term promise which will likely bite them in the arse.
 
A lot of people who into care and social work do it to help and care for others. They are took advantage of by the companies that run them on behalf of the government of day Overworked and underpaid until they become ill and require the care and support they were employed to give.

Fucking capitalism.

It's a shit and fucked up world if politicians think that care and dignity of others shouldn't be afforded to everyone because of "cost". Theses same fuckers wont feel the abandonment millions will feel because they can afford to pay to have it in their later lives.
 
Labour getting India Trade deal, US Trade deal and announce tougher measures to bring down migration figures.
Bad couple weeks for Reform. Well done Starmer.
 
mackenzie said:
Thank you.

To be honest, the young people I deal with seem to want either NHS work (better pay, secure employment), cyber security or social media (of some description). They hardly mention working in care homes or other social care. They used to, but nowhere near as much now. Which is a shame because, with the right employer, it should be one of the most rewarding jobs there is.
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It can be but as someone above says your exploited for caring!! They use young people for their social media and marketing campaigns but don't value their support staff and see them as interchangeable and of no value. But without each other there is no organisation or business. It's all about profit and the care element has gone in my opinion. I'm near retirement and it's changed from person centred to profit led - it would be more acceptable if some of the people we supported saw those benefits.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Laid their own trap today.

That line promising migration will go down every year up to the election will be used over and over by the fascists and Tories come the next GE.
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Fascists. I assume you're comparing Farage to Hitler and Mussolini? You need to get a grip.
 
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