The Labour Government

[bluethrunthru]

Hamilton by-election had the SNP huge odds on favourites, with Reform in 2nd on about 5-1 and Labour out at 10s.

Result, Labour win.

So, you’d think the big story is how Labour came from so far behind, elected by the people of Hamilton who seemed set against them? Well, no. Turns out on Sky that the big story was how well Reform did, even though it was written as a two-horse race.

People may wonder why Reform have been doing so well in the polls, well it’s because they are getting so much support from the media.

Yeah they are interviewing Brian Leishman of Scottish Labour now saying a majority of about 600 was paper thin. Funnily enough they never banged on how that sour faced race baiter in Runcorn won by 6 votes.

Farage went up there shouting his mouth off and has got his due rewards - turns out saying he wanted to cut the Barnett Formula payment and shut down the Scottish Parliament and rule from Westminster wasn't popular. The first two in the race got double the votes Reform did showing the tide is well against Reform in Scotland ....... and thats before they started to have their meltdown last night

 

[Vic]

The media narrative before the result was how well Reform are doing. The narrative after the result is how well Reform is doing. The narrative was never going to change because of the actual result. The media want/need drama. A Reform Govt would be Trump lite drama. They want six different PM’s in a decade, economy melting down, a face-off with a lettuce and tension with Europe.

A somewhat colourless Labour Govt with a huge majority winning a by-election makes for a dull story.

Odd really. It's possible that the media narrative means we've now got a silent Labour voter base unwilling to tell polluters they'll vote Labour!

 

[Scottyboi]

Odd really. It's possible that the media narrative means we've now got a silent Labour voter base unwilling to tell polluters they'll vote Labour!

There is a good chance people are looking at that lunatic over in the states and thinking they want no part of that.

 

[metalblue]

If, after having 2 kids you can't afford, why have a third?

The two child cap is nothing to do with this governments DWP cuts that will put an estimated 130,000 children in to poverty.

But your post…really?!?!?? This thread is in danger of becoming the very definition of Poe’s law.

 

[metalblue]

Hamilton by-election had the SNP huge odds on favourites, with Reform in 2nd on about 5-1 and Labour out at 10s.

Result, Labour win.

So, you’d think the big story is how Labour came from so far behind, elected by the people of Hamilton who seemed set against them? Well, no. Turns out on Sky that the big story was how well Reform did, even though it was written as a two-horse race.

People may wonder why Reform have been doing so well in the polls, well it’s because they are getting so much support from the media.

It’s both crazy and interesting how unpredictable politics is becoming.

It was the SNP pushing the “Labour have no chance” line to try and shore up their own votes with Labour voters with his “vote Labour get reform” message.

Reform were never likely to win based on the opinion polls but it was expected SNP would hold it albeit with a reduced majority.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

If, after having 2 kids you can't afford, why have a third?

Circumstances can change in an instant.

It's people having kids after changes with little or no prospect of returning to the level of income they had that are who you are talking about I assume.

 

[BobKowalski]

Yeah they are interviewing Brian Leishman of Scottish Labour now saying a majority of about 600 was paper thin. Funnily enough they never banged on how that sour faced race baiter in Runcorn won by 6 votes.

Farage went up there shouting his mouth off and has got his due rewards - turns out saying he wanted to cut the Barnett Formula payment and shut down the Scottish Parliament and rule from Westminster wasn't popular. The first two in the race got double the votes Reform did showing the tide is well against Reform in Scotland ....... and thats before they started to have their meltdown last night

It’s the result of packaging politics as entertainment. Good governance is bad, chaos and bad governance are good, so they encourage the ‘burn everything to the ground’ mob.

Labour lose by six votes - bad result for Labour.
Labour win by six hundred votes - bad result for Labour.

All news is bad for Labour, irrespective of whether it is or isn’t. The upside is that this is the price of Government and as a Government you get to do things and actually govern.

 

[Brewster's millions]

If, after having 2 kids you can't afford, why have a third?

Forced sterilisation - it’s the way ahead.

 

[inbetween]

It’s the result of packaging politics as entertainment. Good governance is bad, chaos and bad governance are good, so they encourage the ‘burn everything to the ground’ mob.

Labour lose by six votes - bad result for Labour.
Labour win by six hundred votes - bad result for Labour.

All news is bad for Labour, irrespective of whether it is or isn’t. The upside is that this is the price of Government and as a Government you get to do things and actually govern.

The more worrying thing is that governments have been run according to this form of politics as entertainment and PR. I can't remember if it was Cummings who said that Boris Johnson ran his government basically by sticking his finger in the air and fire fighting daily news headlines.

The critical mistake is that most normal people take no interest in politics or this brand of entertainment so apathy is rising to record highs purely because of the duplicity and appeasement that it generates in government.

Starmer for example doesn't need to look at the polls and then think he needs to appease Reform voters. He needs to take Labour back to its roots and actually stand for something himself. It's otherwise unsurprising that people don't trust him.

 

[BigJoe#1]

jeez, talk about kicking a man when he's down @BigJoe#1

So glad I live rent free in your head.... keep 'em coming - they're quite amusing.

 

[stonerblue]

If having three 3 kids and a great well paid job and having paid your income taxes for 20 years you are no longer able to work due to illness , should your benefit be restricted to only supporting two children thus making very hard times even more difficult.

U will get pip or dla.

 

[stonerblue]

The two child cap is nothing to do with this governments DWP cuts that will put an estimated 130,000 children in to poverty.

But your post…really?!?!?? This thread is in danger of becoming the very definition of Poe’s law.

Dunno what Poe's law is.
What other cuts are u referring to?

 

[stonerblue]

Forced sterilisation - it’s the way ahead.

Now u are being daft.

 

[Username Required]

Is this true, or fake news? If it is true, does it matter?

Jun 1, 2025.

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period, and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066. This presents a particular problem for Britain’s Labour Government, as reducing illegal migration across the Channel was a key election manifesto promise. Delivery was supposed to demonstrate an administrative efficiency which Labour officials asserted was lacking in the previous Conservative administration.

The influx on May 31 overwhelmed the UK’s maritime services. With Border Force vessels fully occupied transporting illegal migrants rescued from the Channel to safety in Dover, fishing boats were called upon by the Coastguard to rescue a number of other boats at sea that had got into difficulties. The RNLI lifeboat from Dover was also spotted by onlookers bringing people to shore.

*snip*

Illegal entry is also attractive because once arrivals set foot on dry land and claim asylum, they become eligible for food, hotel accommodation, and national health services while their asylum applications are processed, which can take many years.

Record Single Day Number of Illegal Boat Crossings on the English Channel

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses...

maritime-executive.com

 

[BobKowalski]

Is this true, or fake news? If it is true, does it matter?

Jun 1, 2025.

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period, and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066. This presents a particular problem for Britain’s Labour Government, as reducing illegal migration across the Channel was a key election manifesto promise. Delivery was supposed to demonstrate an administrative efficiency which Labour officials asserted was lacking in the previous Conservative administration.

The influx on May 31 overwhelmed the UK’s maritime services. With Border Force vessels fully occupied transporting illegal migrants rescued from the Channel to safety in Dover, fishing boats were called upon by the Coastguard to rescue a number of other boats at sea that had got into difficulties. The RNLI lifeboat from Dover was also spotted by onlookers bringing people to shore.

*snip*

Illegal entry is also attractive because once arrivals set foot on dry land and claim asylum, they become eligible for food, hotel accommodation, and national health services while their asylum applications are processed, which can take many years.

Record Single Day Number of Illegal Boat Crossings on the English Channel

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses...

maritime-executive.com

“…and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066”

I stopped reading when I got to this hysterical nonsense.

 

[hampshireblue]

So glad I live rent free in your head.... keep 'em coming - they're quite amusing.

I think you got into lots of people's heads, and from your position not for the right reasons.

 

[hampshireblue]

Is this true, or fake news? If it is true, does it matter?

Jun 1, 2025.

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period, and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066. This presents a particular problem for Britain’s Labour Government, as reducing illegal migration across the Channel was a key election manifesto promise. Delivery was supposed to demonstrate an administrative efficiency which Labour officials asserted was lacking in the previous Conservative administration.

The influx on May 31 overwhelmed the UK’s maritime services. With Border Force vessels fully occupied transporting illegal migrants rescued from the Channel to safety in Dover, fishing boats were called upon by the Coastguard to rescue a number of other boats at sea that had got into difficulties. The RNLI lifeboat from Dover was also spotted by onlookers bringing people to shore.

*snip*

Illegal entry is also attractive because once arrivals set foot on dry land and claim asylum, they become eligible for food, hotel accommodation, and national health services while their asylum applications are processed, which can take many years.

Record Single Day Number of Illegal Boat Crossings on the English Channel

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses...

maritime-executive.com

How many Normans invaded us? Actually 7000-8000, so that record was broken years ago!
Reducing illegal migration was a manifesto promise, but over what time scale? A week, a year, the term of the parliament? At least there's some leeway, unlike "Stop the boats".
I'm not sure what answer you really want, but clearly irregular migration wasn't an issue for the people of Hamilton and neither was the removal of £200-£300 in WFP in one of the colder areas of the UK.

Generally, it's shit, inaccurate reporting aimed at those with little ability to actually think for themselves. But I'm sure you've considered all of the above before just sticking it on here.

 

[Username Required]

How many Normans invaded us? Actually 7000-8000, so that record was broken years ago!
Reducing illegal migration was a manifesto promise, but over what time scale? A week, a year, the term of the parliament? At least there's some leeway, unlike "Stop the boats".
I'm not sure what answer you really want, but clearly irregular migration wasn't an issue for the people of Hamilton and neither was the removal of £200-£300 in WFP in one of the colder areas of the UK.

Generally, it's shit, inaccurate reporting aimed at those with little ability to actually think for themselves. But I'm sure you've considered all of the above before just sticking it on here.

I think my first words were "Is this true?". The "this" are these numbers:

"A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period..."

That's it. That's all I wanted to know. If these numbers are "shit" & "inaccurate" do you know what the real numbers are?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I think my first words were "Is this true?". The "this" are these numbers:

"A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period..."

That's it. That's all I wanted to know. If these numbers are "shit" & "inaccurate" do you know what the real numbers are?

I reckon they’re probably true. We’ve had the calmest waters for years which lends to migrants sailing their boats.

 

[hampshireblue]

I think my first words were "Is this true?". The "this" are these numbers:

"A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period..."

That's it. That's all I wanted to know. If these numbers are "shit" & "inaccurate" do you know what the real numbers are?

I've told you the numbers for the Norman invasion. The others may be true. But it's interesting that the word "illegal" is used for the numbers in May but not for the high it beat. Probably because some of those "illegals" have since been granted asylum and no longer are illegal. The daily figures appear to be very specific but then the annual figure is an approximation-why?

I said the reporting is shit and inaccurate. An example being it's not illegal to get in a boat and cross the channel. It's illegal when they actually land, the Tories having removed the ability for these people to claim asylum on landing which previously made them legal.

The sooner some safe and legal routes are established the better especially if the aim really is to smash the gangs.