The Labour Government

[threespires]

Changing the subject. Has anyone explained to Peter Kyle the saying "if you're not paying for the product, then you are the product" ?

I really hope he knows what he's doing but I doubt that; tech firms vs government remains a pretty big mismatch at the moment.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Which was never an issue seemingly until now?

The rhetoric and hyperbole is hugely ramped up due to bad faith politicians normalising it.

This thread is the people who used to pontificate in Wetherspoons now being able to do it online.

Those guys in Wetherspoons were largely ignored and laughed about. It should be the same here.

Ignore them and their superpower goes away. They return to shouting into the abyss.

 

[Vic]

Come on Vic, you’d have said I don’t need to watch it, not I’m not watching that and then asked what it was all about. Nice try though ;)

OK. It's a fair cop.

Will you watch every video I post about JK Galbraith and Reagonomics? And the stupidity of tax cuts for the rich? I'm sure you'll keep an open mind.

 

[Hertzblue]

I totally agree that we need a proper discussion about immigration. What I don't buy is that Reform would be on the fringes if we'd had that discussion down the years. That's an overly simplistic view IMO. The Tories and Labour have tried to address the issue of small boats by arguably lurching further to the right than one would expect in terms of rhetoric and proposed solutions, yet some people still aren't happy. It also doesn't help that millions of people were bullshitted into voting for Brexit by Farage's lies but haven't woken up to that fact and are allowing themselves to be bullshitted again by him, aided and abetted by compliant media outlets.

Oh, and I'll also argue that because Farage got his wish with Brexit that that is the main reason why small boat crossings increased in the first place.

They haven't tried hard enough though have they ? We are still discussing wether its necessary to leave the ECHR to achieve the required level of control in the channel when its just obvious that we do. Farage has been allowed to fill that space. We can't turn back the clock so we have to agree to disagree on that one.
As for the " Brexit lies" argument and people being bullshitted into Brexit , not woken up etc, certainly some of the claims made by the Leave campaign were exaggerated but no more so than the scaremongering campaign of fear ran by the remain team. If the decision had been to remain then the Brexiteers would also have been crying for years about the lies , scaremongering and campaign of fear ran by the victorious remainers.
All that said these lies are of nothing compared to the great lie of the EU and our politicians that promoted it , that the EU was a trading bloc. It was always intended to be supranational, to supersede our own democratic institutions and usurp our sovereignty. How many fell for that bullshit? when if at all, did millions of people who are pro EU wake up to that one and the loss of their sovereignty ?
Farage's lies are as nothing in comparison to that one.

 

[Hertzblue]

The rhetoric and hyperbole is hugely ramped up due to bad faith politicians normalising it.

This thread is the people who used to pontificate in Wetherspoons now being able to do it online.

Those guys in Wetherspoons were largely ignored and laughed about. It should be the same here.

Ignore them and their superpower goes away. They return to shouting into the abyss.

Al,
You forgot to tell him its all a waste of time etc etc

 

[blueinsa]

The rhetoric and hyperbole is hugely ramped up due to bad faith politicians normalising it.

This thread is the people who used to pontificate in Wetherspoons now being able to do it online.

Those guys in Wetherspoons were largely ignored and laughed about. It should be the same here.

Ignore them and their superpower goes away. They return to shouting into the abyss.

I don’t agree.

14 years of slagging the Tories off (rightly so on many occasions) and laying into any poster who didn’t agree.

I’m not sure why you think roles shouldn’t be reversed now or why it’s suddenly an issue?

It’s politics and opinions, it isn’t going to change.

Anyway, we don’t agree, never have and probably never will so c’est la vie n all that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Al,
You forgot to tell him its all a waste of time etc etc

I haven’t. That’s for him to decide.

I’ve decided that it’s utterly pointless debating with you, as is my prerogative.

It must get quite boring to relentlessly say that everything is shit though. Proper doom spiral stuff.

Focus on happier things and you’ll be happier. Simples.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don’t agree.

14 years of slagging the Tories off (rightly so on many occasions) and laying into any poster who didn’t agree.

I’m not sure why you think roles shouldn’t be reversed now or why it’s suddenly an issue?

It’s politics and opinions, it isn’t going to change.

Anyway, we don’t agree, never have and probably never will so c’est la vie n all that.

I’m just not a relentlessly negative and cynical person.

Hence we differ.

 

[blueinsa]

I’m just not a relentlessly negative and cynical person.

Hence we differ.

Again, you and a very many others on here had me fooled for a good number of years then ;-)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Again, you and a very many others on here had me fooled for a good number of years then ;-)

Maybe so, but I’ve moved on. I’ve decided that you aren’t worth my energy anymore.

You’ll notice that I only post in here when the insults ramp up to the max. It’s nothing to do with politics anymore. Now you know why.

 

[blueinsa]

Maybe so, but I’ve moved on. I’ve decided that you aren’t worth my energy anymore.

You’ll notice that I only post in here when the insults ramp up to the max. It’s nothing to do with politics anymore. Now you know why.

Good for you.

I’m going to stick around and point out the hypocrisy on show to be fair and comment on what our government is doing, good and bad.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Good for you.

I’m going to stick around and point out the hypocrisy on show to be fair and comment on what our government is doing, good and bad.

Awesome. Ultimately, we’ll get the next government that we deserve, irrespective of how many times people call each other a **** or too dense to understand.

It’s good for Ric’s traffic numbers though.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I haven’t. That’s for him to decide.

I’ve decided that it’s utterly pointless debating with you, as is my prerogative.

It must get quite boring to relentlessly say that everything is shit though. Proper doom spiral stuff.

Focus on happier things and you’ll be happier. Simples.

Genuine question....

Do you say "it's pointless debating with you" to everyone that happens to have an alternative point of view to yours?

See, because to say it "must get quite boring to relentlessly say that everything is shit" kind of works both ways... does it not?

So, what makes you think YOU are right and all those who disagree with you are wrong?

 

[BigJoe#1]

I’m just not a relentlessly negative and cynical person.

Hence we differ.

Sadly, in todays hypocritical, self serving and greedy political environment, I am equally negative and cynical.... and TBF to me I'm quite proud of that!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Genuine question....

Do you say "it's pointless debating with you" to everyone that happens to have an alternative point of view to yours?

See, because to say it "must get quite boring to relentlessly say that everything is shit" kind of works both ways... does it not?

So, what makes you think YOU are right and all those who disagree with you are wrong?

No, I don’t. I just don’t debate with people that use inflammatory rhetoric. That is the most pointless element.

No one is changing their opinion or view, so that is also pointless.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Sadly, in today’s hypocritical, self serving and greedy political environment, I am equally negative and cynical.... and TBF to me I'm quite proud of that!

Hence we are where we are.

A race to the bottom.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Hence we are where we are.

A race to the bottom.

.... and why us it a race to the bottom?

Is it down to the shallowness and low caliber career politicians we have and them being under huge scrutiny?

Or is it down to the people rising up and refusing to believe everything they're told without question?

Me personally I think it's a 75/25 split in favour of the political sheep we elect.

 

[metalblue]

OK. It's a fair cop.

Will you watch every video I post about JK Galbraith and Reagonomics? And the stupidity of tax cuts for the rich? I'm sure you'll keep an open mind.

Good man.

I’d always watch a video I thought might be interesting, anything on economics is welcome. I’m always happy to look at new ideas, and let’s be honest here, the current approach isn’t working and hasn’t for some time. That’s not to say it’s fundamentally broken but we are in a bit of a mess.

 

[Hertzblue]

I haven’t. That’s for him to decide.

I’ve decided that it’s utterly pointless debating with you, as is my prerogative.

It must get quite boring to relentlessly say that everything is shit though. Proper doom spiral stuff.

Focus on happier things and you’ll be happier. Simples.

I was just testing , you said you were putting me on ignore, you haven’t I see .

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

.... and why us it a race to the bottom?

Is it down to the shallowness and low caliber career politicians we have and them being under huge scrutiny?

Or is it down to the people rising up and refusing to believe everything they're told without question?

Me personally I think it's a 75/25 split in favour of the political sheep we elect.

It’s a race to the bottom as everyone is thinking negatively and wanting everything cancelled, sent home etc.

There are zero progressive ideas being bandied about.

When everything possible has been cancelled or sent home, what happens then? Where’s the blame going then?

There needs to be a monumental mind shift if we’re going to get out of this spiral we’re in now.

No one believes anything anymore. We don’t need experts, just reinforcement of their own views. We’re in a post truth era.

If we don’t take heed of the nonsense that is going on in the US, then we’ll likely repeat their mess and destroy the country further.