The Labour Government

[west didsblue]

So did I but it comforts them to put you into a box.

Who’s put him in a box?

 

[Don Karleone]

Just for context.
Labour are doing very well and Starmer is a proper PM. Carry on.

He's doing great if you ignore all the shit things that he's doing.

 

[M18CTID]

What a wonderful man he is. Ra ra ra.

Sorry to burst your bubble but he's a vile, revolting, lying, odious, incompetent twat. Universally hated barring you and 2 mates.

Enough of Farage. What about Starmer? ;)

 

[M18CTID]

These campsites where they concentrate people even have security and fences these days is an incredible line tbf.

Maybe he just worked there ... a jobs a jobs and all that;-)

Reminds me of a place I visited back in 2010. Not sure of the name but I think it began with an A and ended with a z

 

[M18CTID]

Not surprised you went for Southgate - first love and all that.

Who did you choose? Liz Truss?

 

[Hertzblue]

We are miles off bankruptcy as a country. Check out our nat debt compared to France ? We have a long way to go to get near theirs and they have a long way to go before they go bust. Then check out Japan's nat debt. Its staggering.

I am not so sure. Japan's debt is indeed in a different league but the nature of the debt lends it greater stability, i.e only around 10% of it is held by foreign investors, the rest by BOJ and other Japanese institutions so capital flight less likely. It is also underpinned by a far higher domestic savings rate than our own, in any event, as you can see, the market is happy to run with them albeit there have been some rumblings of late.
France is as big a basket case as we are and like us lacks the political will to do anything about it, however a blowout in France risks the whole Euro project and I doubt the markets are up for that much volatility.
However if the markets wanted to send a serious message on government debt , then you would hard pushed to find a more suitable victim than ourselves. Living beyond our means, unable to generate growth, feckless political establishment unable to raise taxes or cut spending - Perfect.
Lots of noise lately about pending government debt crisis, Bank of International Settlements saying it can't go on like this etc. I think we are in pole position.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Enough of Farage. What about Starmer? ;)

Many here would wish what you suggest. Polls say otherwise.

BTW I am not fan of Farage. I've never been, and even less so since he's started to get a whiff of the possibility of power and started rowing back on his principles.

But he's the most realistic option to get rid of Starmer at the moment.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Is he ?
Comes across alright to me.
Not a lying grifting racist like the bloke you will vote for - in fact the opposite, a man that’s been fighting for human rights and worked in criminal defence shaping the justice system for better - and that’s even before the achievements he has done as PM. A proper statesmen and PM at long last. No wonder those on far right resent him.

Are you Lord Alli by any chance?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ben Habib??
You’re fucking hilarious these days.
I didn’t often agree with you in years gone by but you could usually put across a reasonable argument to support your position.
These days you seem to have lost your ability to make an informed judgment and just go along with far right slogans that are designed to appeal to morons.

That you think so, gives me confidence I'm on the right lines ;-)

And your post gets likes from the usual deluded happy clappers. Even more proof.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just for the hard of understanding - the haters are beyond me I know but Under the Tory Rwanda scheme, migrants had a 1:100 chance of being deported.Under the pilot 1-in-1-out scheme, migrants have a 1:17 chance of being deported. And that a pilot - who's to say it wouldn't be improved going forwards?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just for the hard of understanding - the haters are beyond me I know but Under the Tory Rwanda scheme, migrants had a 1:100 chance of being deported.Under the pilot 1-in-1-out scheme, migrants have a 1:17 chance of being deported. And that a pilot - who's to say it wouldn't be improved going forwards?

Well if YOU say so, we're all convinced.

Have a good evening!

 

[Hertzblue]

Finally a serious PM that can have the relationship with our neighbours to deal with the migrant crises - Macron wouldn’t give two fucks about Farage.
Well done Starmer.

Really ?
Macron must have wiped his cock on the Downing Street curtains as well after he finished with him.
One in one out but only 50 a week ! 700 came across TODAY FFS!

He offers to lend us the Bayeux tapestry, turns out that it would have had to go into storage otherwise as its current home is being renovated. I bet we are paying.

He must be chuckling to himself.

 

[Hertzblue]

Just for the hard of understanding - the haters are beyond me I know but Under the Tory Rwanda scheme, migrants had a 1:100 chance of being deported.Under the pilot 1-in-1-out scheme, migrants have a 1:17 chance of being deported. And that a pilot - who's to say it wouldn't be improved going forwards?

Just for those unable to see beyond the obvious..
The unlucky 50 per week max are being taken back to France. Let me think, what will they do ? trudge the thousands of miles back home? or turn around and head back to Calais for another go ? What would stop them ? Ah you may say, they will not have the money for another crossing, indeed but if I was an enterprising people smuggler keen to keep my numbers up, I would be offering a free 2nd crossing if you were unlucky enough to be sent back.
Whereas Rwanda is in central Africa - chances are you are not coming back.

 

[bluenova]

Just for those unable to see beyond the obvious..
The unlucky 50 per week max are being taken back to France. Let me think, what will they do ? trudge the thousands of miles back home? or turn around and head back to Calais for another go ? What would stop them ? Ah you may say, they will not have the money for another crossing, indeed but if I was an enterprising people smuggler keen to keep my numbers up, I would be offering a free 2nd crossing if you were unlucky enough to be sent back.
Whereas Rwanda is in central Africa - chances are you are not coming back.

Biometric data is taken for everyone who gets deported, so if they try again, they are automatically deported again.

50 a week is also the pilot scheme. Rwanda was initially set up for a few hundred initially, and the Rwandans said they would not take more than a few thousand maximum.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well if YOU say so, we're all convinced.

Have a good evening!

to quote James O'Brien (and I don't want to) its just counting Chips

 

[Hertzblue]

The Reform plan is fairly straightforward. It’s isolationism. Creating a closed economy that requires minimal outside links. It’s not dissimilar to old style Labour thinking with British jobs for British people and a planned economy. This is the current Republican/Trump model. Tariffs to reduce imports and control of the economy in the hands of few via the State. It is easier to control a people if they are isolated from the outside and kept in check by imposing qualifying criteria to access health care, education etc. Whether this works in the US is arguable, but isolationism does seem to be the driving force behind current policy and has a long history in the US

You also create a division within the country. The more prosperous Cities are crime ridden hellholes especially if run by ‘liberals’. In the UK, London is the target. It’s wealthy, diverse and run by an ‘outsider’ who is Muslim. London thus becomes Khan’s immigrant ghetto with Muslim law and crime infested neighbourhoods.

Farage and Reform just need a target and something to ‘leave’ which will make everything ‘all right’ again. EU, ECHR, NATO, UN. There will always be some outside organisation that is responsible for all our ills. Green policies will be another battleground. It involves change, different ways of thinking and utilisation of resources and Reform voters hate and are suspicious of change. And science and medicine.

There is, and I’ve touched upon this before, an intellectual incoherence on the Right of politics. They will vote for Johnson (fuck business) and champion business. Johnson wanted a high wage economy and a levelling up of the UK via the State. Truss wanted a lean economy with minimal State involvement and protections. And those on the Right will look at these two philosophies and nod along in agreement to both without blinking. Which is why arguing with these people is pointless. They are ‘follow the leader’ types. They think what their leader thinks, no matter how contradictory.

Nooo Bob

Which is why arguing with these people is pointless.

Don't listen to @Alan Harper's Tash, don't go there.
Soon there won't be any Centrist Dad's left, we need you and your nonsense.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Nooo Bob

Don't listen to @Alan Harper's Tash, don't go there.
Soon there won't be any Centrist Dad's left, we need you and your nonsense.

As I said. You need the confrontation. Without it, you’re the pissed loons in Wetherspoons.

Ignore them and they’re just howling into the abyss.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just for those unable to see beyond the obvious..
The unlucky 50 per week max are being taken back to France. Let me think, what will they do ? trudge the thousands of miles back home? or turn around and head back to Calais for another go ? What would stop them ? Ah you may say, they will not have the money for another crossing, indeed but if I was an enterprising people smuggler keen to keep my numbers up, I would be offering a free 2nd crossing if you were unlucky enough to be sent back.
Whereas Rwanda is in central Africa - chances are you are not coming back.

The Rwanda scheme cost £700 MILLION to send 4 volunteers there - do the maths per person - 50 per week = 2600 a year at no cost and thats a pilot that can be increased.
A free 2nd crossing? Oh do fuck off they are not a charity the idea they will offer a second free crossing is for the birds as for Rwanda once you got there you were free to go wherever you wanted to go ..... maybe even back to the channel

 

[Hertzblue]

Biometric data is taken for everyone who gets deported, so if they try again, they are automatically deported again.

50 a week is also the pilot scheme. Rwanda was initially set up for a few hundred initially, and the Rwandans said they would not take more than a few thousand maximum.

Rwanda was all about deterrence, there were lots of early indications it would serve that purpose very well.
Starmers deal is also about deterrence, I may be wrong but I doubt it will serve that purpose to the same extent.
You are correct on the data collection but I doubt this will be much of a deterrent to try again as they have the opportunity to abscond one they arrive or alternatively try their luck in lorries / containers which tends to fly under the radar these days under the cover of the boat crossing publicity.

 

[Hertzblue]

The Rwanda scheme cost £700 MILLION to send 4 volunteers there - do the maths per person - 50 per week = 2600 a year at no cost and thats a pilot that can be increased.
A free 2nd crossing? Oh do fuck off they are not a charity the idea they will offer a second free crossing is for the birds as for Rwanda once you got there you were free to go wherever you wanted to go ..... maybe even back to the channel

Lol , I can see your not much of a buisnessman