The Labour Government

[Vic]

When was the last time a government was elected on a manifesto where they promised to increase immigration?

The electorate have sent a clear message in that they want immigration reduced. Every Tory and Labour manifesto says they will do so.

Not only have they not reduced immigration, they’ve increased it. Figure of 1m, 700k net migration are grotesque and fundamentally change the country long term.

Do you think we might want to start reducing immigration numbers to subdue the far right? deliver what they were elected to do for once?

Net migration fell sharply in 2024, from the unusually high levels seen in 2022 and 2023​

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Net migration fell sharply in 2024, from the unusually high levels seen in 2022 and 2023​

Net migration in 2024 was the third highest year on record! These people want remigration.

 

[Vic]

Net migration in 2024 was the third highest year on record! These people want remigration.

Well if 2022 and 2023 were the first and second highest, it's obviously fallen.

And if the government persists in this visa nonsense it will fall further, but it will not help public services.

Hundreds of prison officers may have to leave UK after Labour’s visa rule change - News war

Prison Officers’ Association says change in eligibility for skilled work visas is ‘disgraceful’ and ‘pandering to Reform’ Hundreds of foreign prison officers will lose their jobs and could be forced to return to their home countries at short notice because of a change in visa rules introdu

news-war.com

 

[TinFoilHat]

Operation protect Starmer activated by number 10.

He needs a distraction like an orange Nonce having the red carpet rolled out for him this week.

 

[Jimmieblue]

What’s the debate ? We’ve had far right parties banging the same drum for decades now, Britain First/UKIP/BNP and various nationalist parties going back to Enoch Powell. Nothing new has been opened up, in fact most outraged marching about migrants wouldn’t even know that under Labour it’s been reduced by 50%

Nothing new, I agree. What about a Party which has a manifesto in place for a Department of Border and Homeland Security. A Department staffed and tasked with developing firm systems to decide which qualified people are needed in this country, how much money they bring and are likely to earn, Australian style. A dedicated, fair Asylum Policy. A manifesto that states any crime committed after being accepted into this country will result in them being deported back to where they came from.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Nothing new, I agree. What about a Party which has a manifesto in place for a Department of Border and Homeland Security. A Department staffed and tasked with developing firm systems to decide which qualified people are needed in this country, how much money they bring and are likely to earn, Australian style. A dedicated, fair Asylum Policy. A manifesto that states any crime committed after being accepted into this country will result in them being deported back to where they came from.

Introduced by the Blair Government (for offences punishable by 12 months or more in prison) failed to be implemented by the Tories.

Now proposed that we immediately deport and we don't issue visas for countries that refuse to accept.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Operation protect Starmer activated by number 10.

He needs a distraction like an orange Nonce having the red carpet rolled out for him this week.

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be some new scandal to look forward to.

 

[M18CTID]

That doesn't necessarily mean that he is not soon to be toast. What's the odds on him seeing out 2026?

No it doesn’t but if people think it’s imminent why aren’t they lumping on at such great odds?

I think he’s much shorter odds to step down next year rather than this year

 

[blueinsa]

No it doesn’t but if people think it’s imminent why aren’t they lumping on at such great odds?

I think he’s much shorter odds to step down next year rather than this year

Is it because they don’t gamble?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.

 

[M18CTID]

Is it because they don’t gamble?

A cheeky tenner is neither here nor there, especially at those odds

 

[We've got Guardiola]

When was the last time a government was elected on a manifesto where they promised to increase immigration?

The electorate have sent a clear message in that they want immigration reduced. Every Tory and Labour manifesto says they will do so.

Not only have they not reduced immigration, they’ve increased it. Figure of 1m, 700k net migration are grotesque and fundamentally change the country long term.

Do you think we might want to start reducing immigration numbers to subdue the far right? deliver what they were elected to do for once?

But migration has fallen recently so what is the problem, zero immigration is not possible because we need it so what numbers would people find acceptable? They just want to eliminate cultures and not numbers. None of them for example were bothered about the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that we have taken.

If it's just about the numbers then which bit of migration do they want to reduce specifically? 400k of 1m are students, 300k come to work and contribute. The small boat arrivals are worth less than 10% of the total.

Robinson's lot aren't Reform supporters because they will do nothing except maybe deport asylum seekers. Robinson's lot want to deport anybody who doesn't look like them and that could include British people born here. It's Nazism 101.

 

[west didsblue]

I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.

I seem to recall you were a big advocate of the Rwanda scheme where we gave them £700m and they accepted a total of 4 asylum seekers who went voluntarily before it was cancelled. Even if we had persisted with it they would have only taken 200 per year plus £30k each and we had agreed to accept vulnerable refugees in return. So not much difference to the France scheme apart from the £30k per returnee and the £700m. So if you find the France scheme hilarious you should have been rolling on the floor laughing at the Rwanda one.

 

[maxwellblue]

I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.

The number due to be returned yesterday was the grand total of 1 and they didn't manage that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No it doesn’t but if people think it’s imminent why aren’t they lumping on at such great odds?

I think he’s much shorter odds to step down next year rather than this year

It’s because they say it every few weeks or so. If they say it often enough, they might be proven correct and people might forget that they’ve cried wolf multiple times before.

 

[mosssideblue]

Well it worked in Australia and I think it would work here too.

I suspect we'll find out if I'm right or you are, in about 4 years time because I think Farage will be the next PM and will instigate these measures.

I can’t see Farage being around in 4 years. The media are already on his tail

 

[mosssideblue]

Aus had a backstop of an island to park them on. We don’t.

And gert big fish with lots of teeth should you capsize :)

 

[mosssideblue]

I wonder how many immigrants will be returned today under the 1 in, 1 out scheme?

Under intense journalistic scrutiny, Cooper and other govt ministers steadfastly refused to give a number, instead sticking to their "up to 50 per week". So obviously less than 50 or they would have said 50.

That aside, the scheme is quite hilarious. We return 1 small boat migrant who may or may not have been able to stay in the UK and in return, France gets to send us someome pre-vetted to be very likely to be successsful with their asylum application. So the net impact of this genius move is net migration via small boats will slightly increase. The French must be having a right old laugh.

It might have worked if we were sending people back in sufficient numbers to act as a deterrent. But as a pilot scheme, it won't make any discernable difference.

Rwanda was exactly the same ie one for one albeit Rwanda could send a person deemed by them as a bad un.

Even now, the Tories are crying because Labour scrapped it.

The issue is more nuanced than what we on a forum know.

 

[moggymoz]

I can’t see Farage being around in 4 years. The media are already on his tail

Hahaha, keep dreaming mate, I just love the sense of fear.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

But migration has fallen recently so what is the problem, zero immigration is not possible because we need it so what numbers would people find acceptable? They just want to eliminate cultures and not numbers. None of them for example were bothered about the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that we have taken.

If it's just about the numbers then which bit of migration do they want to reduce specifically? 400k of 1m are students, 300k come to work and contribute. The small boat arrivals are worth less than 10% of the total.

Robinson's lot aren't Reform supporters because they will do nothing except maybe deport asylum seekers. Robinson's lot want to deport anybody who doesn't look like them and that could include British people born here. It's Nazism 101.

It’s fallen because we are measuring relative to the post-Covid Boriswave. Remove that couple of years of the Boriswave period and it’s at an all time high, after years and years of the electorate clearly signalling they want it right down.

Keep bringing in net 400k a year and complaining about the rise of the far right. It’s fucking mental!!